Re: Cross Platform Accessible GUI's Was RE: Making TK accessible?
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:21:35 -0600
Definitely. We are using SWT in BrailleBlaster. You can find lots of
snippets and examples at http://eclipse.org/swt
John
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 07:11:36AM -0500, James Homme wrote:
> Hi,
> Since I'm at the beginning of my Java learning, I'm asking this. My book
> teaches Java Swing. Should I substitute SWT?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Making TK accessible?
>
> Hello, Jamal
>
> Wx-Widgets is not very accessible in Linux. It actually uses gtk not
> gtk+ in Linux. Gtk+2.0 is what works best with at-spi. As a
> result, accessibility in wx-widget applications is sometimes a bit
> sketchy depending on which widget is used. Pannel, for instance, can
> be a bit problematic. Dialogs and menus are sometimes a problem. I
> recently became painfully aware of this when I tried using
> Code::blocks 10.05 and Amaya 11.3 in Linux. Code::blocks is a c+ Ide
> which is quite accessible in windows and has a ton of nice features.
> In Linux, however, things are ... messy. Amaya 11.3 is a wysiwyg html
> editor created by none other than the w3c whhich is not accessible in
> neither platform.
>
> The closest I have found to comparable accessibility across both
> windows and Linux is java swt. Eclipse, as it happens, is about as
> accessible with Orca as it is with Jaws. Gecko is also quite nice
> although there's a lot of work being done in Orca right now to speed
> it up since it's not as responsive with Gecko as Jaws or NVDA is.
>
> Having said that, my research appears to indicate that the way to make
> an app accessible across all platforms with wx-widgets would be to
> port the linux side from gtk to gtk+ and then to gtk+ 2. I don't know
> how much work that would involve. I'm just now getting into this
> stuff and learning more and more every day. There are a lot of very
> exciting things coming in Gnome 3 and they have some very lofty and
> commendable goals. I wish I knew enough C and Python to truly be of
> use in helping with it all. What is coming is accessibility for QT in
> Gnome using Orca. They're trying to bridge it's built-in
> accessibility api to At-spi so Orca can get at the controls. It
> wouldn't surprise me if, one day, wx-widgets moved form gtk to gtk+ 2
> for the native widgets it uses in Linux.
>
> My two cents,
>
> Alex M
>
>
>
> On 1/29/11, Lex <lex@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 28.01.2011 20:49, Littlefield, Tyler ??????????:
> >> Python still ships with TKInter. I don't want to add speech to it,
> >> because that kind of kills the point of using it with a reader, but I
> >> would like to use something to allow Jaws, Wineyes and NVDA to access
> >> it with no problems.
> >
> > You will need to learn some accessibility interface (they are
> > platform-specific) like MSAA, IAccessible2 to do that.
> >
> >
> > Lex
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