RE: Cross Platform Accessible GUI's Was RE: Making TK accessible?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:20:23 -0500
If you want it to be easily accessible I would say yes.
ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:12 AM
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Subject: Cross Platform Accessible GUI's Was RE: Making TK accessible?
Hi,
Since I'm at the beginning of my Java learning, I'm asking this. My book
teaches Java Swing. Should I substitute SWT?
Thanks.
Jim
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Making TK accessible?
Hello, Jamal
Wx-Widgets is not very accessible in Linux. It actually uses gtk not
gtk+ in Linux. Gtk+2.0 is what works best with at-spi. As a
result, accessibility in wx-widget applications is sometimes a bit
sketchy depending on which widget is used. Pannel, for instance, can
be a bit problematic. Dialogs and menus are sometimes a problem. I
recently became painfully aware of this when I tried using
Code::blocks 10.05 and Amaya 11.3 in Linux. Code::blocks is a c+ Ide
which is quite accessible in windows and has a ton of nice features.
In Linux, however, things are ... messy. Amaya 11.3 is a wysiwyg html
editor created by none other than the w3c whhich is not accessible in
neither platform.
The closest I have found to comparable accessibility across both
windows and Linux is java swt. Eclipse, as it happens, is about as
accessible with Orca as it is with Jaws. Gecko is also quite nice
although there's a lot of work being done in Orca right now to speed
it up since it's not as responsive with Gecko as Jaws or NVDA is.
Having said that, my research appears to indicate that the way to make
an app accessible across all platforms with wx-widgets would be to
port the linux side from gtk to gtk+ and then to gtk+ 2. I don't know
how much work that would involve. I'm just now getting into this
stuff and learning more and more every day. There are a lot of very
exciting things coming in Gnome 3 and they have some very lofty and
commendable goals. I wish I knew enough C and Python to truly be of
use in helping with it all. What is coming is accessibility for QT in
Gnome using Orca. They're trying to bridge it's built-in
accessibility api to At-spi so Orca can get at the controls. It
wouldn't surprise me if, one day, wx-widgets moved form gtk to gtk+ 2
for the native widgets it uses in Linux.
My two cents,
Alex M
On 1/29/11, Lex <lex@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 28.01.2011 20:49, Littlefield, Tyler пишет:
>> Python still ships with TKInter. I don't want to add speech to it,
>> because that kind of kills the point of using it with a reader, but I
>> would like to use something to allow Jaws, Wineyes and NVDA to access
>> it with no problems.
>
> You will need to learn some accessibility interface (they are
> platform-specific) like MSAA, IAccessible2 to do that.
>
>
> Lex
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