Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO

  • From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:09:57 -0400

Jamal,

I believe that you are correct on all points.  The Window Eyes Java code does 
not use JAB.  JAB is only a bridge from Java accessibility API and MSAA.  There 
is no technical limitation that would prevent Anyone else from writing either 
custom code for a screen-reader to interact with Java apps, or a bridge from 
Java to MSAA, UIAutomation, or iAccessible2.

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On 2010-10-11, at 10:04 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:

> I just found the latest manual install version of the JAB, and am making the 
> archive available here:
> 
> http://EmpowermentZone.com/accessbridge-2_0_1-manual_install.zip
> 
> The included source code appears to be related to installation and examples 
> rather than the Bridge, itself.  The license seems to be proprietary and 
> restrictive, rather than libra.  Not sure, but I think the code Jay developed 
> for Window-Eyes is independent of the JAB code base.
> 
> If I am mistaken about any of these points, I hope someone will clarify.
> 
> Jamal
> 
> On 10/10/2010 1:18 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> > I had thought that the bridge was free software (either GPL 2.x or LGPL) 
> > but I am not certain. It was written in straight C code and, last time I 
> > looked (about 7 years ago) it was a rat's nest of complete code weirdness.
> >
> > I had thought that the guy who did the Window-Eyes script for Java was able 
> > to work around the bridge and, as a result, provide a more comprehensive 
> > and performant Java experience.
> >
> > Our little PhD candidate from NC was also working on something that didn't 
> > require the bridge bu that was a few years ago and there are some hardcore 
> > accessibility API problems regarding tree views and other popular controls 
> > that make working with it pretty much a pain in the rectum.
> >
> > Some of these same problems exist in the Gnome API and the people at Gnome 
> > Foundation are trying to address them but with limited resources they can 
> > only do so much especially as they are hunkered down in fox holes working 
> > on Gnome 3 and the switch to DBus.
> >
> > HH,
> > cdh
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >
> >> Is the Java Access Bridge open source?
> >>
> >> Jamal
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/9/2010 3:49 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> >>> Even while in Sun, the Java Access Bridge has had virtually no resources 
> >>> working on it for a few years now; all Oracle did was make it official.
> >>>
> >>> Oracle also got OpenOffice.org as part of the Sun deal and a new 
> >>> organization, The Document Foundation, has forked the code base and is 
> >>> now calling it Libre Office. If one person is good at working on things 
> >>> like the Access Bridge he or she can take ownership of it and try to keep 
> >>> it moving forward as well as round up volunteers to help out. It's not a 
> >>> simple program as it needs to work on a whole pile of different OS and OS 
> >>> versions.
> >>>
> >>> cdh
> >>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I heard from a good source today that Oracle has decided to discontinue 
> >>>> support for the Java Access Bridge (and no alternative is planned).  I 
> >>>> would be glad to be convinced otherwise.  If anyone has information 
> >>>> regarding this topic, please share.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jamal
> >>>>
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