I indent regardless of the language I program in. It gives your code a cleaner look, particularly when interacting with sighted individuals.
Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. Jaber The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via reply e-mail, and delete the material from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Of course you get used with the indentation if it was the first language you learnt. But most other programmers don't start with Python, and almost all other languages don't need that indentation restriction, so usually they are not used with it, especially if they are blind.Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer" <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includedKen,I am just now switching over to Linux, and I really like its robustness. I am still learning the terminal commands though. How is the administrative interface accessed? I have read over tutorials about how to do it, and nothing has worked on my machine. I have created the orbitrc file, that did not work. I tried enabling the root account, but I am unable to log into it directly, only indirectly. When I launch Orca through the terminal as root, orca does not start. When I tri to run Orca normally, it comes up, but does not speak. It simply says: Welcome to Orca. When I go from window to window, I get the message "inaccessible". I want to switch to Linux, but I need to access basic settings under networking, software sources, synaptic package manager, etc.Any advice, tips, tricks, etc would be greatfully received.And, as for the accessibility of python, It was the first language I learned. I attempted to play with Java last year for a class, and frankly did not like it compared to Python. You get used to the indentation. What I like about it is that it is not very restrictive. You can run a short chunk of code. And, you do not have to look things up in such things as javadocs. You can call up a list of functions in a class.Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. JaberThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via reply e-mail, and delete thematerial from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Ken Perry wrote:Ok I need to clear up my previous statement. I said it was around the 3.3 jaws stage. I meant that only in how easy it is to use. The fact is orca is already more powerful than Jaws 3.3 it is closer to jaws 4.5 which is when it got useful in XP the problem is there are times when Orca will crash and if you are not a geek some times its hard to get running. It's also got a bit harder to use interface because there is just so many options. For example if you run up orca in Ubuntu 8.04 and go into firefox and don't know that you have to do insert f-12 and change it to orca bindings you will find that firefox is a bit clugy. If you do know to switch it you will find that firefox works better than with Jaws. You will also find that the Pigeon communication client is harder to use than that of Aim, msn, and or skype but if you learn to use it you will find it is more powerful and covers a lot more messaging protocols. You will also find that Open office actually runs good with Orca where it just runs with Jaws. The one thing they have to do in Linux is get a OCR program without an OCR program that works good it just is not worth it I can't scan books or bills or nothing and the free ocr program google has right now is not ready for prime time but that couldchange rapidly so I am always hoping.So when I say it's at the jaws 3.3 range I should say in interface and ease to learn and use. When it comes to power its better than 3.3 but it's still not up to Windows eyes 7 or Jaws 7 or system access standards yet but it isgetting there fast.I haven't tried the sun java developer but I hear its fully accessible with Orca and if that's true that's really cool so I will give that a shot nexttime I get one of those rare free moments. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian RasnitaSent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:41 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included Well that's not good news. :-(I've started to use Jaws from the version 3.6 or 3.8 or something like that,and if you say that Orca compares with Jaws 3.3, it means that it is evenless advanced than what I thought. But OpenSolaris isn't Unix? It is just another distribution of Linux?In my mind I always associated Sun with Unix because I thought that SunOS and Solaris are Unix operating systems, and I also thought that Unix work only on Unix servers and workstations, and only Linux is a kind of Unix madefor PC.But or I am wrong and Solaris is not Unix, or Sun fool us and use the same name of Solaris for 2 different operating systems, one of them beeing Unixand the other one beeing a Linux distribution. Can anyone make some light? Thanks. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech includedActually both orca linux and Solaris are about the same. I would put them around Jaws 3.3 access right now. I run Ubuntu because it's the easiesttoget working on my laptop. I also run Redhat 9 on my server and have notroubles with it if you don't mind hacking a bit. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:50 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includedThat's good news. Does OpenSolaris and Orca offer a better accessibilitythan Windows with Jaws?Or at least does it offer a better accessibility than Ubuntu with Orca?Thanks. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares"<matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includedyes, solaris is a unix platform and it suports orca. at least for x86 cpu family i've worked with solaris 10, i've downloaded it from sun site for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita"<orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includedSorry, but I think you don't know what you are talking about.First, I didn't say that Jaws is a Microsoft program. I said only that the best accessibility is offered by Windows and Jaws and not by OrcaandLinux, but not even the comparison between these 2 is important, but thefact that it is very hard to create another OS with another screen reader built in.Second, I know that Orca works with Linux, but Sun doesn't pretend thatthey've created the most advanced Linux OS, but that they've created Solaris, the most advanced OS.However, Solaris is not accessible for the blind, or it is accessiblebutonly by using emacspeak, which has a very ugly interface and offers apoor accessibility anyway, and I haven't tested Solaris so I don't really know if it really supports emacspeak or it is just a future plan for Sun. By the way, have anyone tried Solaris? Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares"<matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includeddon't forget that jaws is not a microsoft software and, taking softwareonly from the two grand companies, sun is better than microsoft. Because, with orca you can do more than with narator from windows.So Sun has right assuming it as the best company offering an advancedos with speak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita"<orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech includedWindows is an operating system with speech included. Do you want tocreate a better OS than Windows and a better screen reader than Narrator? I guess you want to create a better one, because otherwise... why bother? In order to do that, you should create a company, employ a few thousands of good programmers and after very many years you might do it.Sun Microsystems has tens of thousands of programmers and they pretendthatthey have created the most advanced operating system in the world, andtheyhave also made one of the most used screen readers for Linux, but the accessibility offered by their solutions is much lower than the oneofferedby Windows and screen readers like Jaws, and Sun work on their OS forvery many years, so... it could be very hard to do what you want. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose Lomeli"<jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: Creating an Operating System with speech includedHello; Listers, I just thought. What do I have to do to create aoperating system with speech. I just thought about this. Can thisbe done? Please write back. 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