Hey, You mean the one with the alert and the button? I don't really see the completed app anywhere, just his latest posts talking about what line to go where but not really explaining it all. DId i miss something? :D On Apr 23, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Ken Perry wrote: > Did you read the sample program there to? > > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:28 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? > > Ok ...I just signed up for it. I just guessed on what went where in the > editboxes :P not labelled :P But i'll have a look > > On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Ken Perry wrote: > >> Ok here you go this has a getting started class at the top of the page you >> can sign up for and below it has a very simple app. It's for the IPhone > but >> you can easily do it for mac to. >> >> > http://www.creatingiphoneapps.net/introduction/creating-iphone-application/ >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian > Beijers >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:49 PM >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >> >> What i've been asking the mv-dev group is just to basically talk me > through >> a helloWorld project where you have a textbox, which is empty, and a > button >> that prints ' Hello world' to the textbox. This way I get a look at GUI >> building, event handlers, connections, the whole business. >> Now the GUI building is the problem because I don't understand what i >> previously mentioned, and I don't understand how to bring the renX > framework >> into it. You can find out about renX at >> www.bryansmart.com >> >> That's pretty much all I can give you, I'm afraid :D >> >> Florian >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Ken Perry wrote: >> >>> Ah yes that is a fun bit of stuff to get your head around I just > recently >>> figured out the whole delegates and the other stuff is not much worse but >>> your right it's no fun when you first read about it. I can tell you that >>> learning to write some stuff with python actually helped me quite a bit >>> because it forced me to understand that stuff. If you have code that you >>> can't get to work that is the best way to post here and ask about stuff. >> If >>> I have something I can tinker with and talk with you about it makes the >> work >>> that much easier. >>> >>> ken >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian >> Beijers >>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:33 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>> >>> I haven't actually asked any here. And they do answer, it's just very >> clear >>> to me that everyone who knows to what I am referring is very busy and >>> doesn't appear to have time to communicate in real time. >>> My questions mainly concern the renX framework maintained by some on that >>> list, but also some general objective-c concepts as well that don't make >>> sense because I get stuck somewhere in the middle. Thats a situation > where >>> mailinglist traffic sometimes just doesn't cut it. I'm all whacked out >> about >>> connections, interface outlets, delegates ...that whole shabang. >>> >>> FLorian >>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Ken Perry wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have >>>> actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again. >>>> >>>> >>>> David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its >>> pretty >>>> much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources >>> though. >>>> So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard >> enough >>>> time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian >>> Beijers >>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>> >>>> Hi Ken, >>>> >>>> You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring >>> to. >>>> Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like >> realtime >>>> conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or > IRC >>>> server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from >>> doing >>>> so. >>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote: >>>> >>>>> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I >>>> wish >>>>> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>> >>>>> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring >>>>> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac >>>>> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do. >>>>> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could >>>>> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org. >>>>> >>>>> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors, >>>>> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We >>>>> could take this topic off-list as well. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige >>>>> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here. >>>>>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions >>>>>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this >>>>>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more >>>>>> pop up. >>>>>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on >>>>>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's >>>>>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be >>>>>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get >>>>>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not >>>>>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be >>>>>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a >>>>>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in >>>>>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting >>>>>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was >>>>>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Florian >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>> Sina >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using >>>>> here >>>>>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access >>>>>>> companies good grief. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina >> Bahram >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list >> as >>>>> an >>>>>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies, >>>>>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too >>> closely >>>>> to >>>>>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be >>>>>>> the best of moves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a thought >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>> Sina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > RicksPlace >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful >>>>> action. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and >>> visually >>>>>>> disabled and spread the word! >>>>>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie. >>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>> if they only know where and how to get them. >>>>>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational >>>>>>> Federations or Associations etc... >>>>>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional >> fields >>>>> and >>>>>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also >>>>> likely >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with >>>>> computers. >>>>>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books > and, >>>>> or, >>>>>>> translation services to educational institutions and students. >>>>>>> Rick USA >>>>>>> Rick USA >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was >>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which >>> goes >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> to all school systems >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >> RicksPlace >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM >>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or >>>>>>>> visually >>>>>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list > - >>>>>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious > State >>>>>>>> Agencies. >>>>>>>> Rick USA >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we > already >>>>> have >>>>>>>>> a system like this in place. >>>>>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can. >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers, >>>>>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to >>> mentor >>>>>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For >>>>>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you >> can >>>>>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get >>>>>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one >> person >>>>>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time, >>> and >>>>>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people, >> could >>>>>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments >>>>>>>>> large enough to make a real difference? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> __________ >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind