RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:27:32 -0400
Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have
actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again.
David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its pretty
much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources though.
So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard enough
time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
Hi Ken,
You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring to.
Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like realtime
conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or IRC
server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from doing
so.
On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I
wish
> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
>
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>
> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
>
> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
> could take this topic off-list as well.
>
> Bill
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
>> pop up.
>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be
>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using
> here
>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access
>>> companies good grief.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list as
> an
>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too closely
> to
>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>>> the best of moves.
>>>
>>> Just a thought
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
> action.
>>>
>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and visually
>>> disabled and spread the word!
>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
> Microsoft
>>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>>> Federations or Associations etc...
>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional fields
> and
>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also
> likely
>>>
>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
> computers.
>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books and,
> or,
>>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>>> Rick USA
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>>
>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>>> attached
>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which goes
>>>> out
>>>> to all school systems
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>>> visually
>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list -
>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious State
>>>> Agencies.
>>>> Rick USA
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we already
> have
>>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers,
>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to mentor
>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you can
>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one person
>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time, and
>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people, could
>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
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