RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:57:19 -0400
Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I wish
I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
could take this topic off-list as well.
Bill
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
<florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
> pop up.
> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be
> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>
> Florian
>
> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using
here
>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access
>> companies good grief.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list as
an
>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too closely
to
>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>> the best of moves.
>>
>> Just a thought
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
action.
>>
>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and visually
>> disabled and spread the word!
>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
Microsoft
>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>> Federations or Associations etc...
>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional fields
and
>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also
likely
>>
>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
computers.
>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books and,
or,
>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>> Rick USA
>> Rick USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>>
>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>> attached
>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which goes
>>> out
>>> to all school systems
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>> visually
>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list -
>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious State
>>> Agencies.
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we already
have
>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers,
>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to mentor
>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you can
>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one person
>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time, and
>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people, could
>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>
>>>> Bill
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