Hi Jim, One key bit of information I forgot to mention it that this version of Cognos is a web application. In the Hotspotclicker documentation it talks about inserting JAWS scripts into the application. Will Hotspotclicker work on web applications? Brent Neal 140 E 300 S Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Programmer Phone: 801.526.9797 Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx >>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 10:28 AM >>> Yes. It's not dependent on what JAWS sees; it blindly clicks a position in its most basic form. There are safeguards, but if you "defined a hotspot" with "app main window relative" positioning, you'd be fine. Jim "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:14:14 -0600: >Hi Jim, >Thanks for the information. I went to the hotspotclicker website and read >through some of the information. Do you know if this would work on an icon >that JAWS cannot even seem to find? > >Brent Neal >140 E 300 S >Salt Lake City, UT 84111 > >Programmer >Phone: 801.526.9797 >Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx > > >>>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 9:55 AM >>> >Hotspot Clicker will get you up and running in the shortest amount of >time and without you having to sit in front of your favorite text >editor, testing and debugging JAWS script code. <G> > >Borrow a pair of eyes while you position the JAWS cursor over the >appropriate items. You can choose to position relative to either >screen height/width or the dimentions of the application main >window. > >"Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:41:16 >-0600: > >>With further sighted assistance I have better information. >>In insertable objects there are 3 tabs. The screen comes up in the default >>tab which is source. If the sighted user clicks on one of the other tabs >>either data items or Toolbox than JAWS will read what is in it but I cannot >>get JAWS to find the other tabs. This seems like such a simple problem but >>it makes it unusable for me. It is probably just because the developer did >>not label the tabs so that JAWS knows they are there. We have the same >>problem with the tabs in the next part of the screen which is called the Page >>Explorer. >>Let me know if you have any other suggestions. >>Thank You >> >>Brent Neal >>140 E 300 S >>Salt Lake City, UT 84111 >> >>Programmer >>Phone: 801.526.9797 >>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx >> >> >>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/24/2009 12:45 AM >>> >>This is going to sound flip, but have you tried Ctrl Tab ? >> >>Good luck >> >>DC >> >>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Neal <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> The 3 icons I cannot access are actually called tabs in the documentation. >>> They are referred to as the Toolbox tab, Data Items tab and Source tab in >>> the Insertable Objects Pane. >>> Is there a special way to access tabs? >>> >>> Brent Neal >>> 140 E 300 S >>> Salt Lake City, UT 84111 >>> >>> Programmer >>> Phone: 801.526.9797 >>> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx >>> >>>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/23/2009 1:16 PM >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> In cases like this, I am a great believer in making the Cognos tech >>> support staff earn their keep. Web-based report-writing is too >>> important a function. Cognos is too important a product; >>> decisionmakers for organizations of all sizes SHOULD be considering >>> accessibility in their purchasing decisions and Cognos should not be >>> allowed to slide and palm all the work off on you or your IT shop. You >>> are basically beta-testing and intentionally or not helping them with >>> necessary development work. >>> >>> I think the hotspot clicker idea also sounds interesting. What >>> screenreader and version of JAWS are you using? I have not read all >>> the wonders that JAWS 10 is supposed to work with dynamic updates of >>> the screen, but I would think to look there. >>> >>> Keep us all posted. This is important work! >>> >>> DoreneC >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Alas, I know nothing of Cognos itself, though I'll write anyway with a >>>> couple *helpful* bits about your problem(s): >>>> >>>> I'm sure Geoff C is composing a thesis extolling the virtues of >>>> Hotspot Clicker, so I'll beat him to it. <grin>. Any time you're >>>> talking about coordinate-based positioning in areas that have the >>>> potential for going dynamic, it's definitely the easiest, most >>>> customizable option. >>>> >>>> Are the sectioned-off elements you seek actual windows or just >>>> "chunks" of information written to one large window that represents >>>> the screen area? >>>> >>>> P.S. If you're unaware, Hotspot Clicker can be found at >>>> http://www.hotspotclicker.org >>>> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:25:21 >>>> -0600: >>>> >>>>>Here at work I was put on the data warehouse team because they thought I >>>>> could learn Cognos and create Cognos reports. So far Cognos on the web >>>>> has >>>>> been quite accessible accept we cannot seem to get to the Source, Toolbox >>>>> and Data Items icons which are in the center part of the screen. I had >>>>> sighted assistance in labeling the icons but JAWS still does not recognize >>>>> them. Is there any way to get around this problem? If not I will not be >>>>> able to create the reports. >>>>>Also the screen is divided into 3 sections and I need to find a way to >>>>> switch between sections. They are not frames or tables. Does anyone know >>>>> how to do this? >>>>>Is anyone else using Cognos with JAWS? >>>>>Any help will be appreciated. >>>>>Thank You >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Brent Neal >>>>>140 E 300 S >>>>>Salt Lake City, UT 84111 >>>>> >>>>>Programmer >>>>>Phone: 801.526.9797 >>>>>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>__________ >>View the list's information and change your settings at >>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >__________ >View the list's information and change your settings at >//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind