Hello Andreas, Nice to hear from you again. I was in out in last month, so may be I lost some of your messages, and I am not going to replay this thread sinse I don't figured out a way of using the vs debugger. What I will suggest is that, together with the "graphycal" debugger you're planning to release, consider putting also a gdb like enviroment, which will make things easier to at least some of us. Marlon 2008/1/23, Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>: > Hey folks, > > My research lab out here at Washington State University is gearing up > for another experiment related to blind computer programmers. In this > one, we've created our own debugging environment which either A), acts > similarly to Visual Studio using Jaws and the Jaws scripts or B) acts > in the way we have our custom blind programmer interface setup. In > this thread, I'm hoping to get some feedback on whether we got the > "visual studio" portion of the experiment right, so that we are making > a fair comparison. > > Specifically, I'm hoping to get some feedback on the sounds output > from Jaws and Visual Studio in a typical debugging session. To try to > figure this out on my own, I've loaded up Jaws 9, Visual Studio 2005, > and notated the sounds the environment puts out. I know VS 2008 is > out, but last checked it wasn't available yet through WSU's academic > alliance, so we are sticking with 2005 and Jaws 9 for this experiment. > > However, I don't claim to be a blind programmer, and as such, the way > you folks have Jaws or VS setup may be different than how I have it > setup. So, I'm going to list the words and sounds visual studio + jaws > outputs in my setup below. If anyone here has Jaws outputting > different sounds, please let me know what those sounds are. > > Navigation: > > Navigate to the local variables window: Jaws says "Locals" > Navigate to the source window: Jaws says the file name, then "Edit > checked unavailable type in text" > > Source window: > > Pressing up: Speaks the line of code above the cursor in terms of raw > characters, for example, a left bracket 5 right bracket semicolon. > > Pressing down: Similarly speaks the line of code below the cursor. > Pressing left and right: Speaks a character. > > Debugger: > > Stepping forward: Jaws says the name of the key pressed, in this case, "F11" > If you press up or down in the source window in the debugger, and the > line you happen to land on is the line that is about to execute in > Visual Studio, Jaws says, Graphic 53 then the line of text. > > Local variable window: > > If you press up or down it takes you to the next variable, where Jaws > says the variable name, its value, then its type. An example would be > A, 4, integer. > > Pressing right and left opens or closes a composite variable, like an > array. Far as I can tell, Jaws makes no sound when this happens. > > So, are these approximately the sounds you receive when using VS + > Jaws in the debugger as well? > > Andreas > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > -- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." Linus Torvalds __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind