Good point! I had previously played around with C# and Visual Basic using the Visual Studio 2008 environments. I really liked C#! I would like to still experiment with C# and VB in 2010. If the free express versions will not be accessible, are there any programs for groups or students I might be able to join? How much is a MSDN subscription? Does it include the tools? I now have a Technet subscription, but I do not think that gets me access to any of the development tools.
I need a cheap way to play with this software since it will not bring in any income. I spend most of my efforts lately in Vinux, where the tools are all Open Source and free. I am also interested in cross platform development. In that areana, Java looks most promising. Should I just drop looking at Microsoft tools and use eclipse?
Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen On 3/20/2011 10:26 AM, Harmony Neil wrote:
True, but that doesn't apply to express edition, only the paid one. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomal Tao Sent: 20 March 2011 08:36 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: CSUN report on Visual Studio 2010 The best news FS could give us VS 2010 developers. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: den 20 mars 2011 01:39 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: CSUN report on Visual Studio 2010 Hard to believe my original fruit basket idea has got all the way to a CSUN demonstration. Of course I stole the idea from a Borland demonstration even though it wasn't called a fruit basket when Borland demonstrated it. Ah the fun. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:06 PM To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind; Program-l Subject: CSUN report on Visual Studio 2010 I attended a Freedom Scientific session on JAWS with Visual Studio 2010. To the best of my understanding, the points below are true. However, I may have inadvertently misunderstood aspects. If anyone has other info, please share. FS is in the process of transitioning to VS 2010 internally for its development of JAWS and other applications. Partly because the development team includes blind indivisuals who rely on JAWS for access, the company has decided to make internal improvements to JAWS so that it better supports User Interface Automation (UIA, the successor to MSAA) and Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) controls, upon which the VS 2010 IDE is based. In addition, there will be a set of factory-supplied scripts for VS 2010. It is currently expected to be released as part of a JAWS 12 update in about a month. Some of that script set will be open source so that blind programmers can hack on it and improve VS 2010 support by JAWS. Other parts will be closed source. Documentation for the new UIA and WPF aspects of the JAWS scripting language will not be provided until at least JAWS 13. At that time, there may also be home row mode support for UIA (in addition to the present support for MSAA). Only commercial versions of VS 2010 will be officially supported. This is because the scripts use a combination of UIA and the VS COM object model, which the free, Express versions of VS 2010 do not support. FS says use of the object model was necessary because of nonstandard or broken aspects of the UIA implementation in VS 2010 by Microsoft. Users of Express editions of VS 2010 may experience partial benefit from the scripts, but it will be hit and miss, so that is not supported. The CSUN session demoed the scripts that are under development, apparently in late beta. The IntelliSense support has clearly been a major focus of the scripts, as well as solid access in the code editor, e.g., recognizing break points and bookmarks in source code. In the demo, Glenn Gordon built a fruit basket program, primarily using the editor for the XAML markup language for user interfaces -- an a VS editing environment that I think works for editing any XML documents. JAWS would speak suggestions about almost every aspect of creating controls by typing XML modes and attribute data into a .xaml file. Also, VS could easily be made to jump into a related C# or VB.NET editing mode related to the current XML node that had focus in the XML editor. He wrote the event handling code in C# using its editor. This handled the Add and Delete actions of the fruit basket dialog. In short, FS is apparently making the most sighnificant commitment to supporting VS than any screen reader developer company has done in recent years. Let us hope that the CSUN preview does, indeed, come to fruition soon. Let us also hope that other screen reader developers and scripters are motivated to compete in this area so that blind programmers have good choices. Jamal __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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