Re: [Bulk] Re: Has anyone noticed?

  • From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:18:09 -0800

actually someone out here started a list for voicing opinions, and one for those topics that wish to run on despite the fact that Jim wishes them to discontinue.

I have the names/addresses of both if anyone wishes me to post them again.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Has anyone noticed?

Hi Trouble,

You raise an excellent point. I would rather put up with a bit of "noise"
than have to join some indeterminate number of lists.

The only thing that ever upsets me in the least is the flaming that goes on.
I believe that Jime Holm would be on board with me in saying that any
comments that are both negative and personal be kept strictly off-list. That
is where we might consider starting another list. Maybe something like

"Everything is easy when you know how."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Has anyone noticed?

Sure your going to get a few off topic posts. unless your run your
post for just one topic a lot is going to be off topic for some.
The main idea of this list is to give help to the new and advanced
programmer that is disabled. There are other lists that a lot of code
questions can be asked on, but not many on them know anything on how
to do it accessible or even by screen reader. That is where this list
comes in, so if you can't handle a few off topic thoughts here and
there. This list ain't for you, but if your disabled and want to do
programming, then the list is for you.
Ever here of the saying "spreading yourself to thin?. One email list
does the job of many and less problems then being on five all having
the same idea, but different language.
The one thing I have noticed is when ever someone gets a bur up...
They always jump out there and start another email list. Well i
joined five of them and thought there might be different talk.
however, none of them have seen a email from day one! Why? Because
this list has answered each and ever question that should of be a
topic on those other lists.
Lets keep it simple a few list and no re en venting of the wheel!

At 03:51 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote:
Well if the coders would like I do have the means to start many
other mailing lists.  Several I do have in mind are blind html,
blind program design, blind open source development, blind software
marketing, blind software concept design, blind software
distribution, blind alternative software, blind complainers about
blind software, and blind coding of course broken into each language
specifically.  I have also been a member of this list for over 5
years now, and I can't even count the number of emails I delete each
day because they involve a code fragment that I know nothing about
or care nothing about, but that is the nature of programming in
general, there are just going to be those long lists of emails that
we can't do anything with.  I don't complain though because I know
there is alot more involved in programming than just the coding side
of it.  In any case, some opinions on more specialized email list
programming related being created by me will be considered.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:a_borka@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Andy B
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@freelistsorg
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: Has anyone noticed?

I do sort of... I don't know what most of the stuff is being talked
about either since I just delete 99% of it since most of it is
something to do with other things than programming or programming
code. I guess the other thing that I get worried about sometimes is
if people are talking about more than just programming, then the
people that really need the help could get it and the people who
could help out those people could give it more (rather than just
deleting everything). Not to say that everybody has to know
everything about everything because that isn't even possible......
just my $.02 worth...

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:49 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Has anyone noticed?

Hi Ken,
I noticed, and I struggle with what to yell at people about. I guess
I figure people must be using editors for programming and it must be
on topic. I'm sorry that bothers you. Does anyone else have strong
feelings about this?

Less time in line at the checkout counter, more time with your loved ones.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Ken Perry
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@freelistsorg
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Has anyone noticed?

Even with all the complaining about off topic we do more talking
about editors, peoples software releases, Cell phones, and things
not programming related than we do programming related.  It has
gotten so bad that I am thinking of creating a rule that runs a spam
filter that detects mails that have nothing to do with programming
all though I am not sure I can catch all the garbage I just was
amazed when I looked over the last weeks email from this list and
saw how much really had to do with programming and how much had to
do with other crap that had nothing to do with coding.

I will probably get flamed but please folks think about it before
you post if it has nothing to do with coding please don't post.  I
try to answer emails that ask coding questions and I spend more time
hitting the delete button than answering.  I think I missed a Java
mail this last week because I deleted everything just to get rid of
it.  I tried to find it in my delete mail and gave up after going
through to much crap that had nothing to do with coding.

Oh well I have some flooring to put in today so I am not even going
to be around for people to flame me.  Of course if you do flame me I
don't really care I will most likely add your email to the rest of
the crap I have deleted this week.


"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance."
--Sam Brown

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