RE: Blind Programmers
- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:58:34 -0400
I'm studying ruby because it's being run against networks and that kind
of work needs no G.U.I. interfaces for it. If you don't have to use
inaccessible sql tools, that can work well too. Toad is accessibility
poison, mysqlplus from what I've read is accessible though. The
Microsoft stuff falls somewhere inbetween and the only reason the
Microsoft stuff is more accessible than not is due to 3rd party
accessibility development. If you get given ruby to study and program
with and use a screen reader that actually speaks to you, it'll be best
to get the tools from http://www.ruby-lang.org/rubyinstaller.exe and get
the documentation from http://www.empowermentzone.com/ruby_doc.zip and
the first book to read in that pile of books if you want to make life
good for you is the pickaxe book and the title will start with
programming inside ruby_doc.zip. Many other books are included but that
book was written by the creator of ruby himself so you get the straight
scoop from the get go. Hth.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cowle, Jodi
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:28
To: 'programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: Blind Programmers
Hi Nick,
Thanks for your info.
You'd think it would be easier to find out what tools other developers
are using in my department. The problem is that the team I'm on is
changing direction in that members are helping agencies of the City to
select pre-made packages, although we still have some older applications
to maintain. So I need to find out where some programming is still
being done in my IT department. Management wants to know from me what
blind programmers are doing now, and I want to know from them what areas
I might still work in where programming/development is still needed. I
don't have the full picture. I know that some SQL is being used, and am
interested to know of anyone using that along with the development
tools. We also have a web team but, again, I am not on that team and
don't have information about the tools they are using except one is
Dreamweaver. We also have a networking group, a help desk, and two
Database Administrators. Communication here isn't always the best. I
hope to learn from them more of the big picture. I think I will need to
move from my team, as these older applications will be going away; but
this could be difficult.
Jodi
Jodi Cowle
City of Madison, Information Technology
(608) 267-4911
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:58 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Blind Programmers
Hi Jodi.
I'm a software engineer working in the UK defence industry.
I'm primarily a C++ developer but I know for windows c# is getting more
and more popular.
Again for windows there's only one real player in terms of IDE which is
visual Studio.
I also do a bit of work in Linux but to be honest the way in which you
develop code on Linux hasn't changed in years, its still mostly make
files and text editors. There are some IDE's around but I'm not sure
what's accessible.
In terms of screen readers I'm a Hal from Dolphin fan for windows, and
orca for linux.
Would it not be easier to find out what tools other developers are using
in your department so that you can hopefully adopt the same tool set?
This assumes you've got a software team rather than just you. If its
just you it may be worth finding out what sort of applications your
going to be writing. Is it traditional client based applications which
have Databases on a remote server. If it is then something like c++ or
c#, maybe java would be a good place to start looking. The more modern
way of accessing database type applications is through a web interface
so maybe php, asp and web technologies maybe the way to go. It all just
depends on what you think is going to be needed over the next few years.
HTH.
Nick.
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cowle, Jodi
Sent: 27 September 2010 20:59
To: 'programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Blind Programmers
Hi,
I am a blind programmer for the City of Madison, Wisconsin. Currently I
program in Progress - which most people haven't heard of. I started out
using COBOL in 1985 on a mainframe. Then I programmed in LINC for
several years. Our applications are now developed on PC's with Windows
XP OS and spread over various servers.
I use JAWS as my primary screen reader, and am slowly trying to learn
and use Window-Eyes.
Over the years my IT department has changed direction. We no longer
develop systems in one language and database environment. We mostly
help agencies of the city select packages rather than develop
applications for them. I still work on old Progress applications, but
they are slowly going away. A while ago I created a list of things I'd
learned from reading these lists - what people were working with, etc.
But this is outdated.
I am trying to find a place to stay busy and useful in my department,
and also get back some work hours I gave up after my baby was born.
The programming environment is always changing, and is very different
from the way it was when I started working here.
Hence, my appeal.
Would some blind programmers be willing to write to me off list and let
me know what programming languages and development tools you use? I'd
also be interested in the screen reader or screen readers you use. This
would help me with my meeting with management.
I appreciate any input you are willing to give me.
Thank you.
Jodi
Jodi Cowle
Information Technology
City of Madison, WI
(608) 267-4911
jcowle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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