Real Mainframe programmers don't use Cobol, they use assembly and run all there code in supervisor mode to make things more interesting. On 3/10/11, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi, > Cobol rules. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:53 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the > language > > That makes more sense. It's probably why the language can be put to > as many uses as it can. Honestly, it was the fact that so many things > in so many different categories were written in it that drew me to the > language. The fact that you get a high level and a low level language > rolled into one explains this quite well for me. > > Alex M > > On 3/10/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> You are correct but if you really want to get technical because you can >> write a c application with a c++ compiler then c++ is a monkey wrench you >> can use for both. So technically it is both a high and low level >> language. >> >> >> Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:38 AM >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >> the >> language >> >> I thought C was the low level language and c++ the high level >> language. OOP makes c++ higher level because of classes, templates >> and such. Am I mistaken? >> >> Alex M >> >> On 3/9/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Sina: I'm using a low-level language when I use c++. I expect Python and >>> C# and Java to change. I do -not- expect a low level to change. It's low >>> level afterall, what are you going to do? Cram a networking lib into the >>> stl? Medications change (high level stuff), but what they build them off >>> of doesn't in some cases. Look at antibiotics; it's been around forever. >>> I suppose we should just toss it, it's not keepign up with pase. >>> On 3/9/2011 4:54 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>>> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way. >>>> >>>> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything new, >>>> *grin*. >>>> >>>> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it. >>>> >>>> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more >>>> than >>>> the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters >>>> explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage taking >>>> up >>>> space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to >>>> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years. >>>> >>>> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if you >>>> can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it, >>>> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other >>>> languages. >>>> >>>> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change. >>>> >>>> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the >>>> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his >>>> difference engine over a century ago. >>>> >>>> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually >> did >>>> all the hard work, *grin*. >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> Sina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> Sina >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>>> the language >>>> >>>> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years. I'm stil a >>>> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried >>>> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for >>>> Java. You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or >>>> something like that and use it to learn with. Unless I'm mistaken, >>>> you can't do this with c# or Java. I tried looking at Java a few >>>> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a >>>> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java. >>>> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it. >>>> >>>> Alex M >>>> >>>> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have >> been >>>>> 10 >>>>> years ago. >>>>> >>>>> Take car,e >>>>> Sina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>> Littlefield, >>>>> Tyler >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>>>> the >>>>> language >>>>> >>>>> But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it >>>>> useless. >>>>> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>>>>> Wow, how many decades has it been? >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, this is kind of useless. >>>>>> >>>>>> This should have been done in 1999. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Sina >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex >> Midence >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM >>>>>> To: programmingblind >>>>>> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>>>>> the >>>>>> language >>>>>> >>>>>> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Fascinating video from the man himself. Interesting to hear his >>>>>> voice. For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who >>>>>> invented c++. 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