Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the language

  • From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:47:34 -0500

Real Mainframe programmers don't use Cobol, they use assembly and run
all there code in supervisor mode to make things more interesting.

On 3/10/11, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
> Cobol rules.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:53 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the
> language
>
> That makes more sense.  It's probably why the language can be put to
> as many uses as it can.  Honestly, it was the fact that so many things
> in so many different categories were written in it that drew me to the
> language.  The fact that you get a high level and a low level language
> rolled into one explains this quite well for me.
>
> Alex M
>
> On 3/10/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> You are correct but if you really want to get technical because you can
>> write a c application with a c++ compiler then c++ is a monkey wrench you
>> can use for both.  So technically it is both a high and low level
>> language.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:38 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>> the
>> language
>>
>> I thought C was the low level language and c++ the high level
>> language.  OOP makes c++ higher level because of classes, templates
>> and such.  Am I mistaken?
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>> On 3/9/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Sina: I'm using a low-level language when I use c++. I expect Python and
>>> C# and Java to change. I do -not- expect a low level to change. It's low
>>> level afterall, what are you going to do? Cram a networking lib into the
>>> stl? Medications change (high level stuff), but what they build them off
>>> of doesn't in some cases. Look at antibiotics; it's been around forever.
>>> I suppose we should just toss it, it's not keepign up with pase.
>>> On 3/9/2011 4:54 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way.
>>>>
>>>> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything new,
>>>> *grin*.
>>>>
>>>> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more
>>>> than
>>>> the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters
>>>> explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage taking
>>>> up
>>>> space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to
>>>> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years.
>>>>
>>>> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if you
>>>> can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it,
>>>> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other
>>>> languages.
>>>>
>>>> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change.
>>>>
>>>> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the
>>>> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his
>>>> difference engine over a century ago.
>>>>
>>>> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually
>> did
>>>> all the hard work, *grin*.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>> the language
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years.  I'm stil a
>>>> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried
>>>> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for
>>>> Java.  You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or
>>>> something like that and use it to learn with.  Unless I'm mistaken,
>>>> you can't do this with c# or Java.  I tried looking at Java a few
>>>> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a
>>>> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java.
>>>> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it.
>>>>
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have
>> been
>>>>> 10
>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take car,e
>>>>> Sina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Littlefield,
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>>> the
>>>>> language
>>>>>
>>>>> But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it
>>>>> useless.
>>>>> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>>>> Wow, how many decades has it been?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, this is kind of useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This should have been done in 1999.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>> Midence
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>>>> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> language
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fascinating video from the man himself.  Interesting to hear his
>>>>>> voice.  For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who
>>>>>> invented c++.  The language was originally called c with classes but
>>>>>> then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means
>>>>>> incremental addition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex M
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