RE: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the language

  • From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:21:27 -0500

Hi,
Cobol rules.

Jim

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:53 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the 
language

That makes more sense.  It's probably why the language can be put to
as many uses as it can.  Honestly, it was the fact that so many things
in so many different categories were written in it that drew me to the
language.  The fact that you get a high level and a low level language
rolled into one explains this quite well for me.

Alex M

On 3/10/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> You are correct but if you really want to get technical because you can
> write a c application with a c++ compiler then c++ is a monkey wrench you
> can use for both.  So technically it is both a high and low level language.
>
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:38 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the
> language
>
> I thought C was the low level language and c++ the high level
> language.  OOP makes c++ higher level because of classes, templates
> and such.  Am I mistaken?
>
> Alex M
>
> On 3/9/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Sina: I'm using a low-level language when I use c++. I expect Python and
>> C# and Java to change. I do -not- expect a low level to change. It's low
>> level afterall, what are you going to do? Cram a networking lib into the
>> stl? Medications change (high level stuff), but what they build them off
>> of doesn't in some cases. Look at antibiotics; it's been around forever.
>> I suppose we should just toss it, it's not keepign up with pase.
>> On 3/9/2011 4:54 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way.
>>>
>>> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything new,
>>> *grin*.
>>>
>>> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it.
>>>
>>> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more than
>>> the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters
>>> explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage taking up
>>> space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to
>>> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years.
>>>
>>> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if you
>>> can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it,
>>> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change.
>>>
>>> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the
>>> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his
>>> difference engine over a century ago.
>>>
>>> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually
> did
>>> all the hard work, *grin*.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>> the language
>>>
>>> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years.  I'm stil a
>>> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried
>>> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for
>>> Java.  You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or
>>> something like that and use it to learn with.  Unless I'm mistaken,
>>> you can't do this with c# or Java.  I tried looking at Java a few
>>> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a
>>> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java.
>>> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it.
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have
> been
>>>> 10
>>>> years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Take car,e
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>>>> Tyler
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>> the
>>>> language
>>>>
>>>> But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it
>>>> useless.
>>>> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>>> Wow, how many decades has it been?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, this is kind of useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> This should have been done in 1999.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Sina
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
> Midence
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>>> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the
>>>>> language
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascinating video from the man himself.  Interesting to hear his
>>>>> voice.  For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who
>>>>> invented c++.  The language was originally called c with classes but
>>>>> then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means
>>>>> incremental addition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex M
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