Wow, I never imagined I'd create fuel for such a pissing contest when i posted this thing. Incidentally, I found it in a newsgroup related to c++. It was a couple days old and of the several thousand subscribers to that newsgroup, there were only a couple responses to it and most were rather complimentary. A lot of folks just thought it was neat to hear the words of the man who created the language they code in. No pissing contests though. Frankly, I think anyone interested in programming ought to check these newsgroups out. You learn a ton of stuff just by reading the threads. Browse the archives and you find all sorts of neat things. You even find job postings. There was one for a contract position in the San Fran area paying 45 bucks an hour! Talk about motivation to learn! Alex M On 3/10/11, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I thought C was the low level language and c++ the high level > language. OOP makes c++ higher level because of classes, templates > and such. Am I mistaken? > > Alex M > > On 3/9/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Sina: I'm using a low-level language when I use c++. I expect Python and >> C# and Java to change. I do -not- expect a low level to change. It's low >> level afterall, what are you going to do? Cram a networking lib into the >> stl? Medications change (high level stuff), but what they build them off >> of doesn't in some cases. Look at antibiotics; it's been around forever. >> I suppose we should just toss it, it's not keepign up with pase. >> On 3/9/2011 4:54 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way. >>> >>> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything new, >>> *grin*. >>> >>> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it. >>> >>> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more >>> than >>> the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters >>> explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage taking >>> up >>> space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to >>> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years. >>> >>> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if you >>> can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it, >>> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other >>> languages. >>> >>> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change. >>> >>> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the >>> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his >>> difference engine over a century ago. >>> >>> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually >>> did >>> all the hard work, *grin*. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Sina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Take care, >>> Sina >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>> the language >>> >>> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years. I'm stil a >>> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried >>> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for >>> Java. You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or >>> something like that and use it to learn with. Unless I'm mistaken, >>> you can't do this with c# or Java. I tried looking at Java a few >>> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a >>> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java. >>> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it. >>> >>> Alex M >>> >>> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have >>>> been >>>> 10 >>>> years ago. >>>> >>>> Take car,e >>>> Sina >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>> Littlefield, >>>> Tyler >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>>> the >>>> language >>>> >>>> But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it >>>> useless. >>>> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: >>>>> Wow, how many decades has it been? >>>>> >>>>> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, this is kind of useless. >>>>> >>>>> This should have been done in 1999. >>>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Sina >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex >>>>> Midence >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind >>>>> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in >>>>> the >>>>> language >>>>> >>>>> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html >>>>> >>>>> Fascinating video from the man himself. Interesting to hear his >>>>> voice. For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who >>>>> invented c++. The language was originally called c with classes but >>>>> then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means >>>>> incremental addition. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> Alex M >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ty >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> Ty >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind