Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the language

  • From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:50:03 -0600

Wow, I never imagined I'd create fuel for such a pissing contest when
i posted this thing.

Incidentally, I found it in a newsgroup related to c++.  It was a
couple days old and of the several thousand subscribers to that
newsgroup, there were only a couple responses to it and most were
rather complimentary.  A lot of folks just thought it was neat to hear
the words of the man who created the language they code in.  No
pissing contests though.


Frankly, I think anyone interested in programming ought to check these
newsgroups out.  You learn a ton of stuff just by reading the threads.
 Browse the archives and you find all sorts of neat things.  You even
find job postings.  There was one for a contract position in the San
Fran area paying 45 bucks an hour!  Talk about motivation to learn!


Alex M

On 3/10/11, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I thought C was the low level language and c++ the high level
> language.  OOP makes c++ higher level because of classes, templates
> and such.  Am I mistaken?
>
> Alex M
>
> On 3/9/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Sina: I'm using a low-level language when I use c++. I expect Python and
>> C# and Java to change. I do -not- expect a low level to change. It's low
>> level afterall, what are you going to do? Cram a networking lib into the
>> stl? Medications change (high level stuff), but what they build them off
>> of doesn't in some cases. Look at antibiotics; it's been around forever.
>> I suppose we should just toss it, it's not keepign up with pase.
>> On 3/9/2011 4:54 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way.
>>>
>>> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything new,
>>> *grin*.
>>>
>>> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it.
>>>
>>> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more
>>> than
>>> the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters
>>> explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage taking
>>> up
>>> space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to
>>> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years.
>>>
>>> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if you
>>> can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it,
>>> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change.
>>>
>>> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the
>>> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his
>>> difference engine over a century ago.
>>>
>>> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually
>>> did
>>> all the hard work, *grin*.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>> the language
>>>
>>> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years.  I'm stil a
>>> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried
>>> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for
>>> Java.  You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or
>>> something like that and use it to learn with.  Unless I'm mistaken,
>>> you can't do this with c# or Java.  I tried looking at Java a few
>>> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a
>>> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java.
>>> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it.
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have
>>>> been
>>>> 10
>>>> years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Take car,e
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Littlefield,
>>>> Tyler
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>> the
>>>> language
>>>>
>>>> But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it
>>>> useless.
>>>> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>>> Wow, how many decades has it been?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, this is kind of useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> This should have been done in 1999.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Sina
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>> Midence
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>>> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in
>>>>> the
>>>>> language
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascinating video from the man himself.  Interesting to hear his
>>>>> voice.  For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who
>>>>> invented c++.  The language was originally called c with classes but
>>>>> then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means
>>>>> incremental addition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex M
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ty
>>>>
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