RE: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the language

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:46:18 -0500

Not because we have high level languages now. I just wish they'd done this 10 
years ago.

Take care,
Sina


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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:41 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the 
language

I'm kind of confused what this has to do with anything, though it is 
late, my  head hurts and I've got a lot to get through. What does your 
bit manipulation hash have to do with it? Why do I get referenced there? 
More to the point, what does your point say? Sina basically said 
programing languages are just a jumble of text, and it doesn't matter 
whether or not you know it, as long as you know trees and graphs and all 
the shiny data structures. You're saying that it's good to know two 
different languages (which again invalidates his point), and you had a 
bit in there about where c++ was used, which doesn't click with his c++ 
is 10 years to late and useless because we have high-level languages now.
On 3/9/2011 5:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> I agree with Sina on this point.  The thing is, languages are created 
> to either solve a specific problem or to be used on specific devices 
> or OS platform.  C++ is still a language of choice for some 
> developers, but there are others out there which simplifies 
> development effort at the cost of not knowing the insides of what's 
> happening at the machine level.
> Personally, I'd prefer learning the equivalent syntax of two or more 
> languages and how they differ before diving into advanced concepts 
> like trees and tables (and yes, Tyler, I learned how to write hash 
> function with bit manipulation).  But, as I can say from experience, 
> it is better to understand what's going on rather than the word 
> description of what you are doing - for instance, you don't want to 
> mess around with graph creation unless if you know how edges are 
> represented (I prefer lists since they are easy to use than matrices, 
> but matrix makes more sense from graphics point of view).
> That's all - JMO.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date sent: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:54:49 -0500
> Subject: RE: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features 
> in the language
>
> Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way.
>
> But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything 
> new, *grin*.
>
> This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it.
>
> Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more 
> than the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters
> explaining it to you.  It is nothing more than syntactic garbage 
> taking up space in your head..  this has been true for the past 60 to
> 70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years.
>
> That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts.  Who cares if 
> you can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it,
> after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other 
> languages.
>
> languages come and go, but concepts hardly change.
>
> So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the 
> stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his
> difference engine over a century ago.
>
> And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually 
> did all the hard work, *grin*.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features 
> in the language
>
> Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years.  I'm stil a
> novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried
> about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for
> Java.  You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or
> something like that and use it to learn with.  Unless I'm mistaken,
> you can't do this with c# or Java.  I tried looking at Java a few
> months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a
> bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java.
> So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it.
>
> Alex M
>
> On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have 
> been 10
> years ago.
>
> Take car,e
> Sina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
> Tyler
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features 
> in the
> language
>
> But it wasn't.  This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it
> useless.
> On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Wow, how many decades has it been?
>
> Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure.
>
> Sorry, this is kind of useless.
>
> This should have been done in 1999.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM
> To: programmingblind
> Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the
> language
>
> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html
>
> Fascinating video from the man himself.  Interesting to hear his
> voice.  For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who
> invented c++.  The language was originally called c with classes but
> then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means
> incremental addition.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Alex M
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