hmmm, I have no clue on what is going on, I just used the link I gave you: http://FruitBasket.QuantumMyst.com/ and then went down to the visual basic 2003 files (unfortunately no one has made a newer one yet) and clicked on the "VB.net 2005 Fruit Basket Demo files" link and got a download dialog, just as should happen. try the above link and see what happens. or here is a direct link for the zip file of VB examples http://fruitbasket.quantummyst.com/downloads/VB_Net2005.zip don't worry about the differences between 2005 and 2008, there not large enough to throw off the intent of the fruit basket demo files, which is to allow folks like yourself to view the source files and possibly an executable to see if a language that blind programmers have, or are working with "works for you" I don't think there is enough difference in the actual code to make a real problem between 2005 and 2010, most of what I have herd about the newest VS interface is that the interface changed, not that much about code and/or power of the language changes. regards, inthane Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ALBERT A SCHWARTZBERG To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Beginning again in programming Hi: I tried the bottom link and then clicked on Visual Basic.net. It seemed to ask for a password, etc. Do I download a version of Visual Basic and exactly how to do I go further? Abe Schwartzberg ----- Original Message ----- From: The Elf To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Beginning again in programming smile there is a place just for you! members of this and another list have slowly contributed for years to a place called the fruit basket demo site. what the "fruit basket" is is an simple application with just a few functions that is done in a number of languages, so you can download a zipped version of them and take a look at the coding and many times give the actual executable a try to see how it functions. you can find the fruit basket demo page at: http://FruitBasket.QuantumMyst.com this should help you find something that will make sense to you, and give you a fair idea of what is available to you. afterwards there are two main sights for blind programming still running, one is my grab bag site (see URL under my name) and the other is non-visual development.org, at: www.NonvisualDevelopment.org HTH, elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ALBERT A SCHWARTZBERG To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Beginning again in programming Hi: I have 2 Certificates in COBOL computer programming that go back over 20 years ago. I realize that languages have changed but some or most of the logic and structure remains the same. I would like to get back into programming and do it from home. I am legally blind and need recorded books but can take advantage of magnification. I heard that BASIC is a good place to start but there is also Visual BASIC now, etc. Do you know of a good place to begin and as efficiently as possible? I have currently Windows XP . Abe Schwartzberg RSVP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/12/10 18:34:00