Right now yes your talking expensive for the Braille displays if you look into the metals and rstuff that go into the Braille displays and the regulations to get those metals you will find part of the problem. The second part of the problem is just the number you have to buy. A lot of dev companies won't even talk to you if you say hey I will only sell 5000 of these a year. Even if the price dropped really low the numbers needed to make the price drop low is not possible so it's a catch 22. Now I wills say there are a lot of colleges Sina's is one that are working on cheaper displays. When they work then it will change but till then it won't. Now as for the IPhone. I go back to usability. Yes its accessible with the touch screen but I want you to write me a full description of your screen on your IPhone in an email without using an external keyboard. I want you to write something more than 2 pages long typing with your IPhone. How about this search for a tutorial on programming for the IPhhone on xcode 4 and watch the video on your IPhone oh wait sorry most of the demos are in flash so you're out of luck there. Sure html5 is coming but while the IPhone is great its limited for the same reason that some access hardware and software is its controlled by a small number of people Jobs in the IPhone factor. While Android needs work it is growing like a demon and either Android or Chrome will bubble to the top so while IPhone is nice now shrug it's not something I can use for more than a phone and a simple web browser and a toy for games. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:29 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Announcing the Orion Smart book >I see some nice features, but on current product very out dated. In >fact it was that when it came out. lets not talk about the price, >because a good netbook already beets what they offer now. The most I see so far is another device that is only affordable by orgs, and if the price is as it is now? Well humanware, Freedom Scientific and GW micro all have products in same category that are useless too. if they want to make something we can use. how about making it affordable too! I'm not asking much here. After all Apple did. Everyone pays the same price and guess what? you get a screen reader and software that works and does it with the op in mind. The one thing i would like to see is cheap braille products. how come when you talk braille you are pretty much buying a car? you mean to tell me that with all new products on market and materials for building. That braille is still buying a car. lets get some equality in products with prices that match not cripple! i am tired that just because i am blind products seem to say sucker pay me all you got and then some! Don't give me they have only a low market to sell to. if most of these products did a fraction of there counter parts used by sighted. Guess what they would buy them! But when not doing equal or out doing they become products for disabled with price tags that fit the national debt. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: //www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind