Jared, Played with re-classing the objects in Jaws without much luck so far. Didn't try anything with win-eyes as yet. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:13 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Accessible UML drawing tools Have you tried playing with reclassing the various controls (Ins+R by default)? This might help, based on what I've read from yours and Nick's previous posts. I'd put a little more into getting the app and playing with it myself, but finals are dominating my life this week to be frank. Perhaps after they're over. *grin* Jared Macarty, Jay {PBSG} wrote: > Nick, > One thing I will give to Win-Eyes is that it at least told me "unknown > component" for some of the objects which means it could likely be taught > to navigate EA. Maybe, this would be a candidate for Win-Eyes 7.0 when > it finally comes out. > > In the mean time, the author of Deep View, Dorian Miller, has been > extremely open to ideas and suggestions as to ways to improve that > product. He and I have corresponded several times over the past few days > and he has already implemented a number of changes. Yesterday, I was > able to use Deep View to produce a rather involved flow chart diagram to > communicate some ideas to my managers. Dorian expects to add some > additional enhancements next week and we are exploring the use of an > Inno setup 5 installer script I wrote for Deep View and gave to him. > > Thanks again for your feedback! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:24 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools > > Hi, > Sorry to here that. > I use Hal/Supernova as my screen reader at work and it does fine with > EA. I didn't need to write any map files either. > When I tried it with Jaws the main problem was that Jaws didn't seem to > recognise any of the window types. Not sure why, obviously the detection > rules are different for Jaws and Hal. Having asked around some Jaws > users there doesn't seem to be a way to classify a window or change the > way Jaws detects windows. Granted I've not looked in to a great deal > about Jaws scripting. I'm more of a casual user of Jaws. I mostly use it > on the web at home and to read books. > I've never tried EA with Win Eyes. > > I'm quite supposed it didn't work though. From what I've been told Win > Eyes is generally pretty good at working this sort of thing out. > > If I get a spare half hour at some point I'll have to try Win Eyes out > with EA. I'm sure I've got a demo of WE somewhere. > > Sorry I couldn't help more. > It's a shame that Jaws can't do this as pretty much everything in EA is > accessible to the keyboard. > > Cheers. > Nick. > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay > {PBSG} > Sent: 30 April 2008 23:04 > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools > > Nick, > Have tried EA 7.1 with Jaws, Window-Eyes, and System Access and can't > seem to navigate the application with any of them. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay > {PBSG} > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:15 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools > > Nick, > Tried eA with Jaws 9.0 and you're right about it being quite > non-accessible there. will try it with WE or System Access to see. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:47 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools > > Hi. > > Check out Enterprise Architect. www.sparxsystems.com if I remember > correctly. > Enterprise architect is very accessible with some screen readers. > Hal/Supernova is fine, the last time I tried it with Jaws it didn't have > a hope but if your using a good screen reader EA is my tool of choice > for UML. > > Cheers. > Nick. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay > {PBSG} > Sent: 24 April 2008 13:37 > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Accessible UML drawing tools > > All, > I know this question has been asked from time to time on this list but > I'm hoping for any recent updates that anyone is aware of. This week, I > started as tech lead for a new development project which will require > considerable documentation and reviews. I am hoping to find a tool which > will allow me to convey ideas and design structures in the form of > diagrams such as UML. > > I'd like a tool which will accept some form of text input or XML input > and produce various diagrams. I have the latest copy of AT&T Graphviz > (version 2.18) and it is very powerful but Graphviz doesn't come with > any templates specifically aimed at producing UML style diagrams. It can > likely be done but if there is something else already out there which is > accessible, that would even be better. > > Thoughts??? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Jay Macarty - Masterfiles Technical Lead - PBSG > Phone: 972-963-1387 > Cell: 214-549-3421 > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may > contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the > intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error > and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use > of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be > unlawful. 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