Nod will have a look but currently I am fighting with Ddms in eclipse I hate having to block stuff out of the list and read it in my editor because jaws does not treate the logcat as a regular list. Oh well. ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:03 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info A lot of people don't think of it as an html editor but it's got lots of plugins besides the ones I named that let you do just that. It's probably because so much of the introductory material is just so time-consuming to go through before you can do anything. Also, in many of the forums, they want you to learn a zillion hotkeys, read tomes and tomes of unix manuals and stay up all night learning Emacs lisp before they agree to show you where the meta key is. I got mad and decided that I'd do something about it. I am writing a simple, do-driven tutorial on Emacspeak which targets a modern user of windows and Gnome with their menu systems and the like. I think one is well overdue since the latest one I could find was last updated in 2001 and here we are in 2011. I'm about 75% done and need to do some serious spell checking and typo fixing but, here's the link. Remember, it's a work in progress. The goal is to actually get it to where you can *DO* *SOMETHING* within your first 5 or so minutes of launching it. I wrote it in org-mode and exported it to html. See for yourself how well it does: http://vinux-docs.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=vinux-docs/vinux-docs ;a=blob_plain;f=emacspeak-easy-howto.html;hb=HEAD Also, I've got about a grand total of 2 weeks or so under my belt with org-mode in case you are wondering how long it took me to learn how to do this. Regards, Alex M On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Very interesting I never thought of emacs s an html editor I will look into > that. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:01 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info > > Hi, Ken, > > Currently, I'm rather taken with Emacs org-mode for writing web > content. I've seen lots and lots of css code in the exported source > files. I'd use a one row table as a navbar. Links are enclosed in > pairs of brackets with the url and the description inside a nested > pair of brackets respectively. Tables are created using a | (pipe) at > the beginning and end of a row and each cell is separated by yet > another |. Here's a really quick example: > > |[[http://braille.wunderground.com][Check the > weather]]|[[Http://www.rfbd.org][Find audio Text > books]]|[[http://www.google.com][Search using google]]| > > Put that all on one line, cut and paste it into a file you save with a > .org extension and then bring it up in Emacs. Then, c-c c-e to > export, press h for html, give it a title, press enter and. wham! To > see what it looks like, just bring the resulting html file up with > your favorite browser and see if it's what you want. > > Muse Mode is another good authoring environment for Emacs. I'm using > these examples because I recall you once posted that you have > Emacspeak set up on a machine somewhere? Anyway, I recently > discovered these two modes and I am just loving them since you don't > have to write most of the html by hand. The exported file is, of > course available and you can then tweak it to your own specifications > after most of the trivial stuff has been done for you. > If you want an accessible wysiwyg html editor that also lets you edit > the source code, KompoZer has worked out well for me. It's a > Gecko-based html editor that has a wysiwig mode, a tag mode and a > source mode. It's pretty accessible though it could probably do with > some scripting. If you want something even more high end, there's > always dreamweaver but it's not free unlike the other stuff I > mentioned here. > The Microsoft tool I think you were going for is Frontpage. It's > successor is callld SharePoint Designer. I have never used it before > so I have no idea how accessible or inaccessible it is. > > Some links: > Org mode: http://orgmode.org/org.html > Muse Mode: http://mwolson.org/projects/MuseQuickStart.html > KompoZer: http://kompozer.net/ > > Good luck, > Alex M > > On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I have a question that is sort of realated to this post. I inherited the >> upkeep of a web page recently. It looks like crap and now I will probably >> start fresh. When I used to write web pages I wrote them using Microsoft >> Publisher. Or whatever that designer program they no longer support was >> called. Anyway What is the easiest way to create a business looking web >> page with css navigation bars that are accessible. >> >> >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:20 AM >> To: Nye, Michael C >> Subject: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> If you design web pages, you will want to see this. >> >> > http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/02/comparison-of-aria-roles-exposed-v >> ia-msaa-and-ui-automation-in-ie9/ >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended >> solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately >> and then delete it. 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