Thanks Jim. I'll check into it.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" <jhomme1028@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
Hi Jay,That would be IsSameScriptKey. I think that's right. I don't have the manualhere at home. Jim Jim Homme Skype: jim.homme "Every day's a gift." -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:50 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms From a hotkey callback perspective, that would be ok. If we defined amapping of int values associated with hotkey actions, then that is all that would need to be communicated back to the java application. Basically, that is what I get from Window-Eyes today. The hotkey callback gives me the eventcode, a code indicating if it was trapped before or after Window-Eyes had taken action on it, and an indicator as to whether this is the first press of the event. The last parm helps in situations where pressing a key once invokes a certain action but pressing it twice invokes another action. I would also like to see the ability for us to use the keystroke trapping utility in JNA and the ability to call directly out to a synch dll for speech so that the java screen reader could actually be invoked and used without any external screen reader running if that were desired.So, I want it to function seamlessly with a running screen reader if presentor be able to function alone if needed.----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:55 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsJAWS Scripts can certainly call COM objects contained in DLL files. I think the main limitation is that JAWS Scripts can only handle very basic data types, such as Integer and String. Don Marang -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:13 PM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsThanks. I was thinking along those lines as well. I thought we might needto write a jaws script for any java.exe or javaw.exe and do the keystroketrapping in there. I don't know if a jaws script can call a dll but if so, we might be able to trigger an event.----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Hi Jay, Maybe with JAWS, you'd have to grab the active jkm file and any time someone presses a key, check to see if it has a script attached to it. I'm not sure what the sequence of events is. Maybe you could call the JAWS trap keys function and use that to see if you should use jfwapi or not. Just trying to think out loud. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:37 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsWith the Window-Eyes interface, I don't trap the actual keystroke at all.The event I receive is the hotkey action requested such as next line or prevline or read current. Window-Eyes traps the keystroke first, translate itinto a hotkey action and then fires the event which I catch of what action was requested. I can then choose to respond to that action in my own way or pass it on as-is to let the screen reader manage it. I want the screenreader to trap the keystroke first, interpret it as whatever action wouldnormally be defined for that keystroke and then send that action request as an event to JAC. This allows JAC to function independantly from the physical keyboard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsi'm a little confused -- you have a keypress that is trapped by someone,maybe jaws, who passes it or some other keystroke or nothing on to the next program in the chain until everyone has processed it. Are you saying that you always want your app -- the screen reader or else the script -- to be the top level app that grabs the first keystroke from the user? do you want to have control at the very top or else just above the screen reader? Or am I completely off? an example would clarify. Thx. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms What I like to do is trap the hotkey that the user presses and not just the keystroke itself. That way, I can respond to the action, such as read current line or read status bar, rather than just responding to a keystroke. This allows the user to change keyboard layouts (e.g., regular or laptop) and the program will respond accordingly. With Window-Eyes, I can trap the hotkey and choose to process it myself or pass it on through to Window-Eyes. I want the same ability with the other screen readers and/or platforms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Hi Jay, Do you need to examine the keys someone uses to decide when to run jfwapi? Just curious. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:09 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Just an update. Using JNA, I was able to get speech from JAWS through the Accessibility Client. As soon as I finish up this little part (I am renaming some classes and packages), I will upload the code to the project on SourceForge. My issue with JAWS right now is that the jfwapi dll doesn't allow for trapping the hotkey strokes like I can in Window-Eyes. I think JNA may have some utilities to handle this but this will be something for someone to research. ----- Original Message ----- From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:30 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsgood -- I hope it helps! --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Laura, I have been playing with the examples for JNA and it looks interesting; especially since JNA already supports 32 and 64 bit OS on several platforms. I have sent an e-mail to the author asking about permision to include JNA as a component of JAC for distribution. ----- Original Message ----- jFrom: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platformsI have a question -- have you considered looking at JNA as a means of connecting with the dlls without going through the trouble of doing the jni interface? See jna.dev.java.netI don't know if this would be appropriate or not but someone called myattention to it for what I'm working on. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Juan, Currently, WE4java is composed of 4 parts. The major part is written in java and handles all the applications monitoring and event handling. The second,which I hope to replace, is a third-party COM bridge called Jacob. Thethird part is a Windows Script Component (a wsc COM object) which uses JScript tocommunicate with Window-Eyes. The final part is the Window-Eyes scriptitself wich handles the speech and Braille output. What I am planning is to get rid of the Jacob COM bridge and replace it witha java native interface, JNI, call to a dll which will replace the wscobject. In this way, the interface between the java part and the dll wouldalways be the same but we could have multiple dll objects to interfacewith the screen readers; one for Window-Eyes, one for JFW, one for System Access; etc.I'd very much be interested in having you take part in the progress ofthis project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Hernandez" <blindmagik@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:21 AM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platformsHi Jay, What is we4java written in? is it all in java? Or is there some c++? I'd like to know so I can contribute because I am a huge, hugefan of the project, and followed itsince you released the very firstversion. I really hope it gets off on its feet and opend up so otherscanwor on it, because I really think your solutionis the best one out there for java access, and making accessible to jfw users would be really cool. Take care. Juan Hernandez Cell: 619-261-2568 E-Mail: juanhernandez98@xxxxxxxxx follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/blindwiz my website: http://www.blindwiz.info -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms I have had this occur with jaws 10 as well. It usually seems to happen after my machine has gone to screen saver and then I wake it up again. I have never found a way to get it working correctly again other than restarting. ----- Original Message -----From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms hHi listers, My machine did it again. I hear the keys being pushed and don't really know they are not reaching the message. When I find this out I just have torestart. If any of you have ever had this problem, I sure could use ahint. I am using JAWS 10.Anyway, I wrote to say I am using JAWS and am very interested in thissubject since I have not done that old fashioned COBOL for two years and don't have any intention of doing it again. Susie P.S. Also, I want to point out that our own Sina is an NFB scholarship winner. I know you are hoping for him to getthat big one. Susie -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:50 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Hi Jy, I senou a ssaonyour gmal account. Iam er intete I thbect since I motoing an otadreae COOLlo I sill ueJAWS. By t hwy our owSinai a FB shorhp winer. Ho he I hoo t that bigoe 00. uie -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:35 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Hi Sina, Laura, and Jared. Thanks for the prompt and encouraging response. I guess some of the first questions we need to answer are the following: * Where will the source code and binaries be stored? * What type of licensing is most appropriate? I have some feedback from Peter Korn on that topic but would like to get the ideas from anyone on the list as wel. * Who will be the owning person or group of the project? * Currently, WE4Java is more or less geared specifically for Window-Eyes usage. If we are going to turn this into a truly multi-platform solution, I think we are going to have to begin hthinking of a more generalized design approach. That is one reason I wanted to get away from the dependency onthe Jacob COM API and the wsc bridge between WE4Java and Window-Eyes.I certainly don't want to move away from allowing Window-Eyes to use the java access technology. I just think we need to create a generalized java core with a JNI interface in which one dll would be written for Window-Eyes usage but other implementations could be written as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platformsHey Jay,I'm extremely saddened to hear about this. Please feel free to emailme off line. My father recently battled with colon cancer , so I'm all to familiar with it in that respect. Also, I remember us discussing various java accessibility related issues with Mike Grace, if you remember him. He's moved on to security related research these days, but let's chat off list. All the best to you Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:43 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: About accessible technology for multiple platforms Hi All,My name is Jay Macarty and I am the author of the java accessibilitysoftware for Window-Eyes called WE4Java. For the past 7 months, I have been battleing colon cancer and thus, have not been able to devote much time to the completion of this software. Given my current health condition and work load, I can see that it is not going to be posible for me to continue work on this project without inviting some outside developer assistance. I would be more than happy to talk to anyone interested in taking the foundation ofWE4Java and building it out to a more flexible and complete product.I hate giving up years of effort and thousands of hours ofprogramming for nothing but as things stand, I don't see how to keepmoving this project forwardn without opening up the source in some form or another. My last thought on this matter was to try to enlist the help of a C++ developer to create a dll to interface directly with the WE4Java code base using java's native interface, JNI, instead of going through the existing wsc object and the third-party Jacob COMAPI. I would invite any thoughts or feedback on this topic to see ifwe can form some type of collaborative effort to finish this package out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: RE: Vs 2010I am loving VS 2010 right now, and I look forward to using it more as I learn C#, ASP.net, and SQL to go along with it. The only thing I can't find is a darn book on the program to save my life. You know how sucky Microsoft's documentation is. LOL. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The ElfSent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:17 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Vs 2010 no coordinated effort as far as I know at this time, it has been mentioned though. elf proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomal Tao" <gomal.tao@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:19 AM Subject: Vs 2010Hello, I am experimenting with Visual Studio 2010 using the latest jaws 11 update. So far the studio seems to be quite accessible. Writing code in the editor works all right. The problem I am having is that the studio changes focus for jaws all the time. I need to press a lot of keys to come back to the code editor. The menus works perfectly and the jaws cursor can follow navigating menues. I am trying to use the visual editors for the Entity framework. With somejaws scripting it should be possible to give a jaws user access tothese editors. There is a lot more to explore and try out for JAWS. 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