Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms

  • From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:07:11 -0500

Thanks Alex.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



Hi,

If you need any testers, let me know.  My name is Alex Midence.  I use
jfw 11.0 and 10.0.  I'd like to be able to use more java/multiplatform
apps than I currently can using the access bridge.  One app in
particular I'd like to be able to use more is the open office suite.
There's another called Soft Chalk which is for producing e-learning
content.  it is, so far, the one and only screen reader accessible app
I've found for creating e-learning content.  I just thought of another
multiplatform app I'd like to use and that is arachnophelia's latest
versions.  It used to be one of the most acessible html editors out
there.  Version 4 stil is but it was built way back in 2001.  I'd like
to be able to use version 5.0 but it's now in java and didn't include
the swing classes to make it accessible.

Please let me know if I can help in any way.

Alex
Call center trainer and dabbler in coding.

On 6/24/10, Jay Macarty <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

With the Window-Eyes interface, I don't trap the actual keystroke at all.
The event I receive is the hotkey action requested such as next line or prev 
line or read current. Window-Eyes traps the keystroke first, translate it
into a hotkey action and then fires the event which I catch of what action was requested. I can then choose to respond to that action in my own way or 
pass it on as-is to let the screen reader manage it. I want the screen
reader to trap the keystroke first, interpret it as whatever action would
normally be defined for that keystroke and then send that action request as an event to JAC. This allows JAC to function independantly from the physical 
keyboard.

----- Original Message -----
From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



i'm a little confused -- you have a keypress that is trapped by someone,
maybe jaws, who passes it or some other keystroke or nothing on to the
next
program in the chain until everyone has processed it. Are you saying that you always want your app -- the screen reader or else the script -- to be 
the top level app that grabs the first keystroke from the user?
do you want to have control at the very top or else just above the screen 
reader?
Or am I completely off?
an example would clarify. Thx.
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms


What I like to do is trap the hotkey that the user presses and not just
the
keystroke itself. That way, I can respond to the action, such as read
current line or read status bar, rather than just responding to a
keystroke.
This allows the user to change keyboard layouts (e.g., regular or laptop) and the program will respond accordingly. With Window-Eyes, I can trap the 
hotkey and choose to process it myself or pass it on through to
Window-Eyes.
I want the same ability with the other screen readers and/or platforms.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms


Hi Jay,
Do you need to examine the keys someone uses to decide when to run jfwapi? 
Just curious.

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:09 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
Just an update. Using JNA, I was able to get speech from JAWS through the 
Accessibility Client. As soon as I finish up this little part (I am
renaming
some classes and packages), I will upload the code to the project on
SourceForge.

My issue with JAWS right now is that the jfwapi dll doesn't allow for
trapping the hotkey strokes like I can in Window-Eyes. I think JNA may
have
some utilities to handle this but this will be something for someone to
research.

----- Original Message -----
From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



good -- I hope it helps!
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms


Laura,
I have been playing with the examples for JNA and it looks interesting; 
especially since JNA already supports 32 and 64 bit OS on several
platforms.
I have sent an e-mail to the author asking about permision to include JNA 
as
a component of JAC for distribution.

----- Original Message -----
jFrom: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



I have a question -- have you considered looking at JNA as a means of
connecting with the dlls without going through the trouble of doing the 
jni
interface?
See
   jna.dev.java.net
I don't know if this would be appropriate or not but someone called my
attention to it for what I'm working on.
--le


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Macarty" <jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms


Juan,
Currently, WE4java is composed of 4 parts. The major part is written in 
java
and handles all the applications monitoring and event handling. The
second,
which I hope to replace, is a third-party COM bridge called Jacob. The
third
part is a Windows Script Component (a wsc COM object) which uses JScript 
to
communicate with Window-Eyes. The final part is the Window-Eyes script
itself wich handles the speech and Braille output.
What I am planning is to get rid of the Jacob COM bridge and replace it 
with
a java native interface, JNI, call to a dll which will replace the wsc
object. In this way, the interface between the java part and the dll
would
always be the same but we could have multiple dll objects to interface
with
the screen readers; one for Window-Eyes, one for JFW, one for System
Access;
etc.

I'd very much be interested in having you take part in the progress of
this
project.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <blindmagik@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



Hi Jay,

What is we4java written in? is it all in java? Or is there some c++?
I'd
like to know so I can contribute because I am a huge, hugefan of the
project, and followed itsince you released the very firstversion.  I
really
hope it gets off on  its feet and opend up so otherscanwor on it,
because
I
really think your solutionis the best one out there for java access,
and
making accessible to jfw users would be really cool.

Take care.



Juan Hernandez
Cell: 619-261-2568
E-Mail: juanhernandez98@xxxxxxxxx
follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/blindwiz
my website: http://www.blindwiz.info

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
I have had this occur with jaws 10 as well. It usually seems to happen 
after
my machine has gone to screen saver and then I wake it up again. I have 
never found a way to get it working correctly again other than
restarting.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms


hHi listers,
My machine did it again. I hear the keys being pushed and don't really 
know
they are not reaching the message. When I find this out I just have to 
restart. If any of you have ever had this problem, I sure could use a
hint.
I am using JAWS 10.

Anyway, I wrote to say I am using JAWS and am very interested in this
subject since I have not done that old fashioned COBOL for two years
and
don't have any intention of doing it again.

Susie
P.S. Also, I want to point out that our own Sina is an NFB scholarship 
winner. I know you are hoping for him to getthat big one.

Susie

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel,
Susan -

Kansas City, MO
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:50 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:35 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms

Hi Sina, Laura, and Jared.

Thanks for the prompt and encouraging response. I guess some of the
first
questions we need to answer are the following:

* Where will the source code and binaries be stored?
* What type of licensing is most appropriate? I have some feedback from Peter Korn on that topic but would like to get the ideas from anyone on 
the
list as wel.
* Who will be the owning person or group of the project?
* Currently, WE4Java is more or less geared specifically for
Window-Eyes
usage. If we are going to turn this into a truly multi-platform
solution,
I
think we are going to have to begin hthinking of a more generalized
design
approach. That is one reason I wanted to get away from the dependency 
on
the Jacob COM API and the wsc bridge between WE4Java and Window-Eyes. I certainly don't want to move away from allowing Window-Eyes to use the 
java
access technology. I just think we need to create a generalized java
core
with a JNI interface in which one dll would be written for Window-Eyes 
usage
but other implementations could be written as well.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms



Hey Jay,

I'm extremely saddened to hear about this. Please feel free to email
me
off line. My father recently battled with colon cancer , so
I'm all to familiar with it in that respect.

Also, I remember us discussing various java accessibility related
issues
with Mike Grace, if you remember him. He's moved on to
security related research these days, but let's chat off list.

All the best to you

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay
Macarty
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:43 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: About accessible technology for multiple platforms

Hi All,

My name is Jay Macarty and I am the author of the java accessibility
software for Window-Eyes called WE4Java. For the past 7 months,
I have been battleing colon cancer and thus, have not been able to
devote
much time to the completion of this software. Given my
current health condition and work load, I can see that it is not going 
to
be posible for me to continue work on this project without
inviting some outside developer assistance. I would be more than happy 
to
talk to anyone interested in taking the foundation of
WE4Java and building it out to a more flexible and complete product. I 
hate giving up years of effort and thousands of hours of
programming for nothing but as things stand, I don't see how to keep
moving this project forwardn without opening up the source in
some form or another.
My last thought on this matter was to try to enlist the help of a C++ 
developer to create a dll to interface directly with the
WE4Java code base using java's native interface, JNI, instead of going 
through the existing wsc object and the third-party Jacob COM
API. I would invite any thoughts or feedback on this topic to see if
we
can form some type of collaborative effort to finish this
package out.


----- Original Message -----
From: "katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: Vs 2010
I am loving VS 2010 right now, and I look forward to using it more as 
I
learn C#, ASP.net, and SQL to go along with it.  The only thing I
can't
find
is a darn book on the program to save my life.  You know how sucky
Microsoft's documentation is.  LOL.

Katherine

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:17 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Vs 2010

no coordinated effort as far as I know at this time, it has been
mentioned
though.

elf
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for blind computer users and programmers
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gomal Tao" <gomal.tao@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:19 AM
Subject: Vs 2010



Hello,
I am experimenting with Visual Studio 2010 using the latest jaws 11 
update.
So far the studio seems to be quite accessible. Writing code in the 
editor
works all right. The problem I am having is that the studio changes 
focus
for jaws all the time. I need to press a lot of keys to come back to 
the
code editor. The menus works perfectly and the jaws cursor can
follow
navigating menues.
I am trying to use the visual editors for the Entity framework. With 
some
jaws scripting it should be possible to give a jaws user access to
these
editors.

There is a lot more to explore and try out for JAWS. Is there any
work
going
on to create JAWS script for visual studio 2010?

/Gabriel

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