Is the information in a TV Guide layout considered a presentation or data table? Is using a true html table considered bad form or not the ideal accessibility solution? I personally picked the guide at TitanTV.com because it shows all of the programs for 6 hours for all of your favorite channels within a table. Using the Arrow keys while holding down the Alt + Control keys lets me move around the table like a spreadsheet. Actually I wrote a script that toggles me in or out of a Table Navigation Mode so I do not need to hold down those keys. It also announces the time slot (column heading) and channel (row header) as I move around the table.
Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen On 3/16/2011 9:25 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
There are generally two thoughts on this decision.1. People are going to use tables for layout, allowing for role="presentation" provides an explicit method of indicating that a table is part of presentation, and not semantic.2. Tables should never be used for presentation, all markup should be semantic and all presentation should be performed with CSS.I am on the fence, it is most likely that those using tables for layout will not know or care about role="presentation". I prefer the standardist approach, where * all * markup is for semantics, and not for presentation. That being said, is this decision really going to make a big difference on the usability accessibility of a site, likely not.Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2011-03-16, at 10:19 AM, Ken Perry wrote:I don't see that as a step backwards since they force the role attribute. ken -----Original Message-----From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:37 AMTo: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: A Step Backwards Does anyone know about this? begin extractTherefore, the HTML Working Group hereby adopts the "Allow tablesto be >used for presentational purposes" Proposal for ISSUE-130. Of the Change Proposals before us, this one has drawn the weaker objections. In short, this means that HTML5 rescinds HTML4's guidance on the use of the table markup structure for its presentational layout attributes, such that such use will now be HTML5-valid, provided said table has a role attribute set to "presentation" [1]. end extract __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind