Hi. would like it to be kept on this list. now, still having installation problems with the 700 mb oracle java g 11. and now, cannot install it, and maybe it does not like windows vista. and when the self extrqact package unloads, the main screen just hangs for ever, and no buttons or any thing, so have to shut it down. now, can any one help me with this one? and maybe if it does not work, just delete and do not worry, and maybe try eclipse. don raikes was the person who posted that on this list about oracle java. and got jaws 10.512 and windows vista home premium with 2 gb ram, 250 gb hard disk, and 2 ghz processor. and would be grateful for any books or tutorials , been a few years since i looked at java. and i know, did try blue j and java creator. blue j is totally inaccesible the last time i looked at that. cheers Marvin.