[program-java] Re: Java certification

  • From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:47:56 +0000

I echo Jim. It is wonderful having such a resource on the list. 

Susie

-----Original Message-----
From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:56 PM
To: 'program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

Grea to hear that we have another SWT resource on the list. I've been 
developing with Eclipse / SWT since about 2005 and favor it over SWING / AWT 
any day.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Baldwin
Sent: December 16, 2011 15:51
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

Susan - no offense taken. Even with 14 years of continuous Java programming and 
teaching experience, I wouldn't relish the thought of having to spend time 
cramming the subtle details for the certification exam.

Jim - There are many factors, including the fact that I am annotating a 
tutorial written several years ago by someone else in an attempt to make that 
tutorial accessible.

Perhaps the greatest factor derives from the fact that I am producing SVG files 
for most of the drawings in the portion of the material that I am writing and 
some of the drawings in the older tutorial that I am annotating.   This will 
make it possible for students to use an embosser or swell paper to produce 
tactile versions of those drawings.

I am also converting everything from Swing to SWT to make it accessible. 
Basically, I wrote all of the code for my material several years ago with no 
thought given to accessibility. Now I am having to rewrite all of that code 
using SWT in place of Swing and having to update the existing code to produce 
the SVG output files.

Dick Baldwin


On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO 
<susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


        WOW am I impressed. I had not examined your website yet. If my job 
didn't require this certification for promotion I would not even think about 
it. It makes me tired to think of spending all this time so I can try to take 
it. I am sorry I offended you. I was just trying to find someone else besides 
Jim Corbett who is blind and certified.



        Susie



        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Baldwin
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:15 PM


        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification





        I'm not blind.



        If you examine my website carefully 
(http://www.dickbaldwin.com/toc.htm), you will see that I began publishing 
online Java tutorials in 1997, which I believe, was before Java certification 
from Sun was even available.



        During the past 14 years, I have published more than 600 free online 
Java tutorials ranging from Java fundamentals 
(http://www.dickbaldwin.com/tocknowledge.htm) to such topics as Adaptive 
Prediction using Java (http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3610806) 
and Redeye Correction in Digital Photographs 
(http://www.dickbaldwin.com/java/Java363.htm).



        During that period, I have taught object-oriented programming to 
approximately1500 students using Java, C#, and C++.



        My most recent Java programming effort is a freely downloadable program 
named SVGDraw01, which makes it possible for blind students to draw just about 
anything they can imagine 
(http://www.austincc.edu/baldwin/SWT-SVG/SVGDraw01.zip). In order to write that 
program and make it accessible, I had to learn to program using SWT instead of 
Swing. That was interesting.



        I am currently in the process of publishing new course material for a 
course titled Mathematical Applications for Game Development at 
http://www.access2science.com/rbg/ I am striving to make that material as 
accessible as possible, which increases the time and effort required to write 
the material by at least a factor of five.



        I recently published Accessible Physics Concepts for Blind Students at 
http://cnx.org/content/col11294/latest/, which was showcased in "How a 
Professor Gave a Blind Student a New Outlook on Science" at 
http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/how-a-professor-gave-a-blind-student-a-new-outlook-on-science/34424



        I believe you are the first person ever to ask if I am certified. I am 
not. I have never felt the need to spend the money to take the certification 
test.



        Dick Baldwin

        On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Homme, James 
<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        Hi Suzie,

        You shouldn't ask him if he's certified. That's not nice. <grin>



        Jim



        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, 
Kansas City, MO
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:22 PM


        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification



        Dick:



        Are you blind and are you certified? If the answer to both questions is 
yes, do you have any helping hints? What assistive technology did you take in? 
How much extra time were you given?



        Susie



        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Baldwin
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:08 PM
        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification



        The material was written when Java 1.4 was current.



        With the possible exception of focus traversal, I doubt that you will 
find that any of the additions to Java since v1.4 have deprecated the material 
from v1.4. If that is a concern, I believe that Sun has maintained a list of 
deprecated classes and methods somewhere on their website. Java 1.5 included 
major changes to focus traversal that broke a lot of code that was written 
earlier.



        Of course, there have been a number of additions to Java since v1.4, 
such as the addition of generics in v1.5, but the fundamentals haven't changed.



        By the way, Java 1.7 has now been released. We will start using it in 
our computer labs in the Spring semester. The most significant difference that 
I have found so far between 1.6 and 1.7 is that programs compiled using the 1.7 
compiler cannot be executed using the 1.6 JRE.



        Dick Baldwin

        On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO 
<susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        Thank you for this link

        http://www.dickbaldwin.com/toc.htm



        I looked at it for a minute. Is it just Java 1.4? I am studying for 
Java 6.



        Susie



        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Baldwin
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:27 AM


        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification



        The material is somewhat dated, but you may find the material linked to 
"Test Your Java Knowledge" at http://www.dickbaldwin.com/toc.htm useful.



        If you take a look at it and find it useful, let me know and I will 
send you a set of clean html files without the advertisements.



        Dick Baldwin

        On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Corbett, James 
<James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        At the time there were plenty of free sample exams. I had at one time 
compiled a sizable document with questions but my lap top was stolen and well 
you know the rest of the story.


        Jim

        -----Original Message-----
        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, 
Kansas City, MO

        Sent: December 16, 2011 11:44
        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

        Where do I find online free exams? Whizlabs costs $100 and up.

        Susie

        -----Original Message-----
        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:43 AM
        To: 'program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

        Suzy:

        I had a friend / mentor that worked me through the curriculum and we / 
I took as many on line free exams as possible.

        Jim

        -----Original Message-----
        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, 
Kansas City, MO
        Sent: December 16, 2011 11:33
        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

        Jim C,

        How did you study for the exam? I remember you didn't finish it, but I 
am really impressed you still passed it.

        Susie

        -----Original Message-----
        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James
        Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:05 AM
        To: 'program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
        Subject: [program-java] Re: Java certification

        Suzan:

        I know this was directed to others but allow me to answer using my 
experiences.

        1. Adaptive Tech.

               Once I explained the reason for such all was well.

        2. Time.

               I had double the length of time in a room by myself and a 
proctor.

        Jim

        -----Original Message-----
        From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, 
Kansas City, MO
        Sent: December 16, 2011 10:59
        To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [program-java] Java certification

        Hi Listers,



        I have been told I must pass the S C J P certification for any hope of 
a promotion. I know Jim Corbett has passed the exam. I would love to hear from 
anyone else. Jim is in Canada so his experience with the testing organization 
might be different than what others have had in the United States. My questions 
would be what was your study method? What was the reaction when you wanted to 
take your assistive technology to be used? I would like to have both my JAWS 
and Braille display. I find it much easier to keep track of everything like 
those parenthesis. Did any of you get the practice test from whizlabs? How many 
times did you have to take the exam to pass it? How much time were you given?



        Susie Stanzel

        Programmer for the United States Department of Agriculture



        I am really hoping for a response on this














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        Home of Baldwin's on-line Java Tutorials
        http://www.DickBaldwin.com

        Professor of Computer Information Technology
        Austin Community College
        (512) 223-4758 <tel:%28512%29%20223-4758>
        mailto:Baldwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        http://www.austincc.edu/baldwin/



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