Hmmmmm, not the way I see it but I'm just as glad. ...and you are welcome! Jim -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller Sent: November 14, 2008 13:01 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: FW: Re: Java discussion Jim, I would not dare to call you, but it was your suggestion. You gave me your numbers and detail time frame for each one. Over the period of 2 month I had 4 phone conversations with you, and once again, it was your suggestion. Obviously I'll never call you any more, I've already erased all your numbers. Also I'm very disappointed that you've decided to discuss this misunderstanding in front of other people. -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:35 PM To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: FW: Re: Java discussion Anna: If experienced programmers don't want to be bugged, then they don't have to answer.... I just didn't want to respond to you privately and then have to repeat the same excersise publicly. I also wanted the calls to my office, evening calls to my home and the weekend calls to the same to stop. Yes, you were bothering me off list, but I'm more than willing to answer anyone including yourself on list during the working week and hours. Jim -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller Sent: November 14, 2008 12:05 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] FW: Re: Java discussion -----Original Message----- From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [program-java] Re: Java discussion I don't suggest novices leaving this discussion, because we benefit a lot from it. But why buthering experienced people with questions like "what is plug-in"? Last time I asked Jim the question, and he answered something that did not help me at all. This is because thinks that are obvious for him are unknown to me. That's why I suggested organizing Java discussion for novices, because we have common basic needs. -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Java discussion Yup, it's questions from the floor that remind a trainer of the things he forgot to cover in the lesson. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: 14 November 2008 15:15 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Java discussion I agree. Many people, advanced and novices included, subscribed because they want to read other people's questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: [program-java] Re: Java discussion Do as you must, but this entire forum was set up with people such as yourself and Anna in mind. There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting questions to the list and having someone on the other end respond. Java is a tough language especially if you are coming from a mainframe back ground. If you wish to create your own discussion forum, that's your choice but I feel as though you would be shooting yourself in the foot. Here we have a free forum, a great number of people, vast and varying experiences and blind programmers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of stansbury_r Sent: November 13, 2008 17:42 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Java discussion This sounds like a good idea to me. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Giller <mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: [program-java] Java discussion Hi everyone! For those who is a complete novice in Java like I am. Let's arrange our internal Java discussion, so we can share our needs and steps. When we get completely stuck with some issues, we can ask questions to experienced Java programmers, otherwise will not buther them. Is anybody interested? Anna