There are 11 messages totalling 710 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. PIGEONS-LIST Digest - 14 Mar 2008 to 15 Mar 2008 (#2008-75) (2) 2. White stock and all other colors (2) 3. <No subject given> 4. PIGEONS-LIST Digest - 11 Mar 2008 to 12 Mar 2008 (#2008-72) 5. pigeon tv show 6. National Geographic (3) 7. Watery Droppings and Babies in the nest ---------------- TO UNSUBSCRIBE send an email to: LISTSERV@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with only the following text in the body of the message: SIGNOFF pigeons-list ---------------- To alter your Email SUBSCRIPTION OPTIONS for the PML (SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE), or to review the PML RULES or ARCHIVES, go to: http://www.pigeonring.com ---------------- To send an email message to appear on the PML, send it exactly to: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------
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Bill, I think that is what I said, a white bird can be good. The majority won't but occasionally a white bird will be up to the task.
Harry: You are on the money about the new wave of white stock breeders,(folks that breed white stock for racing and folks that breed white stock as a working class pigeon), and races that are for "whites pigeons only". I can remember being on this very site many, many years ago, (ten maybe fifteen years ago); and talking about a day when breeding white stock would be common in America. The "white birds only races", are a natural next step. What better way to measure abilities of a carefully selected gene pool then with competition "only" for that gene pool. The only point that I do not understand is your definition "of a good bird"? If a bird; (any bird) performs within the restraints of its gene pool and does it reliably for many years then, to me that "is a good bird". I am thrilled that the Release industry has been influential in creating a desire in so many new handlers to keep, maintain, selectively breed and even earn some money from their white stock. Remember, it is all in the fancy; and what is good for the fancy is good for every flyer. Keep them flying: Jerry Highland Loft Harbor Springs, MI. PS: This is not a promotion for the sale of pigeons of any color. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Jerry, the difference I see is when you have a race specifically based on color it gives the racers a chance to settle for lower performance. I don't think they should be raced strictly as white racing homers, to me they are racing homers regardless of color. If you have a race strictly for whites it becomes less valid in my mind. Especially when on the same day a race from the same station is released and the speeds are higher for the color birds than the white birds. Suddenly the white birds are no longer equivalent to the colored birds. On the other hands if white birds are being bred strictly for the release industry it is important they all get home. I would breed for strong homing instinct and not worry about speed. What I have witnessed is the white release people set up a breeding loft and a flying loft, then they get spread too thin because of losses or extra jobs and instead of saying no to some jobs they start sending out breeders who haven't been flying and maybe not settled, the next year because of losing their breeders they are breeding off survivors and losing more birds than ever.
There will always be racers who are trying to develop white racers that are racers first and happen to be white though the white is always part of the project, as good as their birds are they don't send them to million dollar races with $1000 perch fees, their white birds go to band races and smaller entry fee races.
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I think you're just looking for a fight and think you'll get a lot of backing by picking one with me. It won't work, I'm going to charm school now so you have to find someone else. I will tell you though that denying a problem exists doesn't cure the problem. Too many fly by night outfits doing white releases combined with no regulations or standards makes the industry suspect. Jerry tried to set a standard using his birds as an example on all the white release people on this list attacked him for telling them what they should be doing. How many white release people actually claim what they do as income and claim all the money they make doing it, treat it like a real business? I'm guessing there are more who hide every dollar they make and wouldn't pass muster in a surprise visit to their facilities. There are also too many who will sacrifice birds for a dollar releasing birds who have no chance of getting home. I know how many calls I get looking for white birds for a one shot deal and I don't have any white birds. That is the industry I see.
hello all , i thought that was a great show !! done very well !! bobby
Watched the NG show on pigeons Beast Genius. It was great how they showed them in a different light and as they said "they are not rats with wings". Was well done and explained the different breeds and even the need of the common pigeon.
Of course they still can't explain their homing abilities each has their own theory. from smell to magnetic compass. It did show how smart these birds are. If any of you missed it I suggest you try watching next time it airs. I think it may be on tonight at 9:00 pm.
Was tired last night but stayed up to watch it. Put pigeons in a very good light. Nice show.
In a message dated 3/16/2008 12:18:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmmccallister@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Gary, I think it was Ken who said he hadn't given his birds salt for too long so when he gave it to them they gorged on it and had problems. In nature animals find the salts they need all the time but occasionally something will happen where the natural salt points dry up or disappear and they go into salt or mineral deficit. Under those circumstances sometimes animals overdose and die. I'm not flaming you,I agree with you that all animals need salt. We just have to be careful we don't deprive them of it then suddenly give them so much they end up sick or dead. My birds get their salt from the horses salt licks.