-=PCTechTalk=- Re: my new car is a spy
- From: <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:37:09 -0700
I am not freaking out over what they are ADMITTING they have now...but, I am
freaking out over what so many will see as a wonderful potential.
And with a name like NightSneak... you will not be able to be one! lol!
They will know all your procelvities.
Also, I did not see an answer.... how do they know what happened 5 seconds
before an incident..if they are not recording all the time? Sure..it only
has a 10 second memory....? right..and it does not transmit..... ??? Now?
As the article pointed out....the information gathered could in the future
be sold to insurance companies, etc. It may be well past 1985..but '1985' is
catching up to us!
So, if we do not freak out now..and accept this as some innocuous or even
potentially helpful data collector, we will be way too late to stop a whole
industry.
One of the things we spoke a lot about in state's dept of data processing
was knowledge (data) being power and whoever controlled the knowledge (data)
was powerful and would control a large marketshare of all business.
That is why there have been such battles with cable companies and telephone
companies and all telecommunications. Whether it was the old microwaves or
the newer sattelite media carrying the signal..they are powerful. Making
software proprietary would help control data to some extent, but those who
offered more flexibility, estensibly for less or even free in the
beginning..would be the big winners in the end.
Putting these devices in the car... 'for your own good' saftely and studies,
ostensibly sounds good... but, let's be real. For every piece of freebie
given away..it is a seed planted to reap acres later.
So, I prefer to freak out now...before this is all in place..and' oh what is
the big deal?' becomes the conversation..and do you know how much it would
cost to remove these..and the cost of the car would go up because this info
is sold to vendors (insurance companies, restaurants, banks, credit card,
life insurance, etc) to keep the cost of the car down... and now..this
revenue will have to come from the car..and therefore..from the
buyers........
And if you think I am wrong...... (and I pray I am) keep this thread of
emails..and leave them to your kids/ grandkids to read. Of course...they
will probably not understand it all since they will have very little privacy
left in their lives anyway....
And no, while it does not identify the driver YET..... how long before we
have to insert a valid driver's license before the car starts? Well, they
need that to verify you have insurance... and if in an accident...then the
hospital can get your medical records... always some well meaning helpful
thought.. and someone else making money..selling my info.......and my
benefit.... well, in this scenerio..if I never have to go to the hospital
because of a car accident.. NO benefit to me! I have made it 58 yrs so
far...(thank you God!)
Ok.. I promise.. I will stay off the soap box now...if anyone wants to
discuss this further privately I will be happy to..but I do not want to bore
the rest of the list with my rantings....lol!
Hugs,
Rose
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Carneal" <carnealr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: my new car is a spy
Night,
Even then- the box does not identify the driver at the wheel, correct? Just
what the car was doing at moment of impact? That is the part that kinda
scared me- I could just see an officer itching to walk up to a car that fit
a certain description and ask to see the black box because witness said the
car was going ten miles over the speed limit. Perhaps my son drove it, and
he was careless enough to allow a friend to drive it, and the friend went
92 down a street. (Let's assume no accident for the question.)
You are saying the black boxes will not reveal to an officer or dealership
that 42 hours ago the car was going 92, correct? I may be the owner of the
car, but in this case I would not be aware of the car being driven at that
speed. Of course, if I ever found out, he would never drive again for as
long as I could enforce that.
Robert
At 06:19 PM 4/14/2003 Monday -0400, you wrote:
>Rose, Rose, Rose,
>
>Calm down. They do NOT identify where you are, where you were, or why you
>are there, or how much $$$ you lost ;-)
>
>Here is what they tell anyone looking:
>
>Vehicle speed (five seconds before impact)
>Engine speed (five seconds before impact)
>Brake status (five seconds before impact)
>Throttle position (five seconds before impact)
>State of driver's seat belt switch (On/Off)
>Passenger's airbag (On/Off)
>IR Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
>Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
>Ignition cycle count at event time
>Ignition cycle count at investigation
>Maximum velocity for near-deployment event
>Velocity vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
>Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum velocity
>Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within five seconds)
>
>Being a privacy-paranoid person myself, I am not at all adverse to
>crucifying things that provided unneeded personal info, but this, at least
>for NOW, has nothing to do with your proclivities.
>
>nightsneak
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:00 PM
>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: my new car is a spy
>
>
>|
>| Do you know if there is a way to find where this is located..and if it
can
>| be removed or disabled?
>|
>| I would tremendously resent the car manufacturer being able to sell data
>as
>| to where I go and what I do..(as a consumer..I am not even talking about
>| personal info.. some stalker of a movie star...etc..) so I can be
targeted
>| for even more spam. Then they can say..hey! You cannot opt out as you
>| were at my casino last week..or some other BS. Who needs to know how
>often
>| I go to a movie, a bar, grocery stores, casinos, restaurants, drug
stores,
>| doctors, hospitals, etc.
>|
>| Who gave car manufacturer's the right to put a device on my car..without
>| advising me or paying me to gather statistics for anyone. My insurance
>| company has no right to know where I go. If I get in an accident, then
we
>| can talk..as we have. Do not make me PROVE I am telling the truth by
>| allowing someone to document my every move in a vehicle "I" own. That I
>am
>| not paid for it is even an after thought. You cannot pay me enough to
>| violate my right to privacy. I have NEVER been convicted (or even
charged
>| with any crime - with the exception of one speeding ticket (and a few
>| wasting energy tickets) in my LIFE!)
>| Ok...ok.... I am now stopping my ranting..and I do not mean to kill the
>| messenger...
>|
>| I just need to know HOW to proceed with this.. This does upset me. Makes
>be
>| want to spend more to buy an older car...how dumb!
>|
>| Rose
>
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