Do you know if there is a way to find where this is located..and if it can be removed or disabled? I would tremendously resent the car manufacturer being able to sell data as to where I go and what I do..(as a consumer..I am not even talking about personal info.. some stalker of a movie star...etc..) so I can be targeted for even more spam. Then they can say..hey! You cannot opt out as you were at my casino last week..or some other BS. Who needs to know how often I go to a movie, a bar, grocery stores, casinos, restaurants, drug stores, doctors, hospitals, etc. Who gave car manufacturer's the right to put a device on my car..without advising me or paying me to gather statistics for anyone. My insurance company has no right to know where I go. If I get in an accident, then we can talk..as we have. Do not make me PROVE I am telling the truth by allowing someone to document my every move in a vehicle "I" own. That I am not paid for it is even an after thought. You cannot pay me enough to violate my right to privacy. I have NEVER been convicted (or even charged with any crime - with the exception of one speeding ticket (and a few wasting energy tickets) in my LIFE!) Ok...ok.... I am now stopping my ranting..and I do not mean to kill the messenger... I just need to know HOW to proceed with this.. This does upset me. Makes be want to spend more to buy an older car...how dumb! Rose Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "nightsneak1" <nightsneak1@xxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: my new car is a spy Billy, These have actually been installed in GM or Saturn US cars since 1996 and are mostly used for accident reconstruction. They are called Black Boxes for cars. While privacy advocates see all kinds of smoke and mirrors, which may very well be true eventually, they actually have a usefulness in accidents, etc., just like in airplanes. For a wide range of ideas and information concerning them, do a google search on "black box" +car A good site on explanations is: http://www.seniormag.com/headlines/blackboxcars.htm nightsneak ----- Original Message ----- From: <Billy64300@xxxxxxx> To: <Nawtys_Family@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- my new car is a spy | On page five,I found i have an "EVENT DATA RECORDER" | The issues it records is seat belt wearing,engine speed ,CAR speed ,and | other things. | This info is stored for the dealer and "ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OR GOVERMENT | AGENCYS. | OR OTHERS WHO MAY ASSERT A RIGHT OR OBTAIN YOUR CONSENT TO KNOW SUCH INFO. To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk