-=PCTechTalk=- Re: Troth
- From: "Bob Crews" <rec46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:24:05 -0600
No offense taken. I agree with you. I just hope we can continue helping
others here as well as on a channel. It's really not going to hurt this
group in any way. If I thought that would happen, I'd never have decided to
get the channel. Besides, the channel was already in the making before I
even came here along with many others who came here when I did.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Keyboard Cowboy" <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bashful Bob" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Troth
> We all miss him Bob...........but he is doing what he does
> best.....giving himself to the people in his life. A great example
> for all of us! As we say in the fire department........"he's got his
> sh*t together".
>
> Sorry - don't mean to offend anyone.
>
> Regards from
>
> Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
> ,,,,,,,,
> =D4=BF=D4=AC
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> Scottsdale, Arizona
> ---------------------------------
> Sunday, 2/13/2005, @ 11:29:11 PM EST
> ---------------------------------
> Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present
> generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make good use of
> it!
>
> -- John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, April 26, 1777
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|:o:|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:21:35 -0600, Bashful Bob wrote:
> | Troth
> | Next time you hear from Gman, Please give him my regards and
> | wishes for the best. Please tell him he is missed.
> |
> | thanks
> | Life is what happens in between plans.
> |
> | Virus free email by Norton's
> | This message is intended for the sole use of the individual
> | and/or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain
> | information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from
> | disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee,
> | or authorized to receive this on behalf of the addressee, you
> | are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or
> | distribute to anyone this message or any part thereof. If you
> | have received this in error, please immediately advise the
> | sender by e-mail and delete this information. Thank you -----
> | Original Message ----- From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005
> | 10:07 PM Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
> |
> |
> | | Bob, you seem to be missing the point on KC's statement.
> | | If you want to start an IRC room, then go ahead. There's
> | | no fear that people will leave this list to go to an IRC
> | | room. The list already has a loyal following.
> | |
> | And,
> | | this is not a dictatorship. If someone doesn't like the
> | | list, they leave. Why would we want to pin people here
> | | that aren't interested. IRC chats are fun and a
> | | refreshing change to an email list sometimes. But, and I
> | | agree with this, IRC is usually not the best medium for
> | | tech help. I don't
> | |
> | know...
> | | maybe its me. But, I can't go into an IRC room and just
> | | hang around. I could, however, go to an IRC room when I
> | | wanna toss some time around
> | |
> | meeting
> | | new people with similar interests. I used to be on IRC a
> | | lot, until my
> | |
> | time
> | | became lacking. For me, email just works better. But,
> | | this is why all of
> | |
> | the
> | | best tech support groups on the web either use bulletin
> | | board software (vBulletin, phpBB, etc) or an email list,
> | | such as ours. If you want to
> | |
> | start
> | | an IRC room, go for it... but, just set it up, give the
> | | details once, and let's move on.
> | |
> | | Regarding Gman... you obviously didn't completely read
> | | KC's post. In his
> | |
> | #2
> | | statement... "Gman ran into some personal problems." More
> | | specifically,
> | |
> | Gman
> | | ran into some financial problems. Should we go deeper?
> | | No, of course not. Technically, its not important WHAT
> | | those problems are... only that the
> | |
> | guy
> | | has some deeper issues to deal with. Imagine telling your
> | | wife or children that the computer and internet are more
> | | important... wouldn't stand, would it. Point is, Gman
> | | started this list several years ago. He was on a list
> | | that was geared to a different topic (tech topic, but not
> | | really tech support), and he decided to spin off into his
> | | own list, to help those less knowledgeable. He brought a
> | | few us along for the ride and recruited new hands. As
> | | anyone that has dealt with him can tell you, he went out
> | | of his way to help. And, he was very good at explaining
> | | things. Maybe that was
> | |
> | his
> | | "instructor" skills, since he was a guitar teacher as
> | | well.
> | |
> | | So... now you know what you need to know about Gman. And,
> | | you know, I
> | |
> | don't
> | | believe he's gone permanently. I know he'll eventually be
> | | back. Unfortunately, his email addresses that we have are
> | | down as well. But, we get an occasional email from him.
> | |
> | | ---Troth
> | |
> | |
> | | -----Original Message-----
> | | From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | | [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> | | Crews Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:43 PM To:
> | | pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
> | |
> | | Bob,
> | |
> | | Well I'm really sorry you are so one sided and feel the
> | | way you do.
> | |
> | Number
> | | one, no one said anyone would quit this group because
> | | there's a channel on IRC for them to go to and be able to
> | | talk live without having to wait for someone to get done
> | | cooking supper, or to get back from a trip or come to
> | | think of it, the owner won't run off and leave someone
> | | else holding the
> | |
> | bag
> | | of running the channel/group.
> | |
> | | No one said they have to quit this group. If you don't
> | | like the idea then don't bother coming to the channel.
> | | It's as simple as that. I don't plan on quitting the
> | | group neither simply because not all people are going to
> | |
> | go
> | | on IRC. But for those who are going on IRC, more power
> | | to them if they
> | |
> | wish
> |
> | | to better themselves. There's no reason to start jumping
> | | on their cases
> | |
> | and
> |
> | | raising hell simply because they plan on doing something
> | | you don't care to do. That is very one sided and dis-
> | | respectful.
> | |
> | | As far as your last statement here, why do you think
> | | someone's mother
> | |
> | would
> | | look down on them simply because they go to an IRC
> | | channel? They go there because they wish to and maybe
> | | even to better themselves. As I said, no
> | |
> | one
> |
> | | has been told they should leave this group. The channel
> | | is so no one has
> | |
> | to
> |
> | | wait until someone decides to reply to their post and so
> | | no one will yell
> | |
> | at
> |
> | | them because they talked about something other then
> | | computers or programs.
> | |
> | | More power to the new Mods. I wish them well. There
> | | will also be channel ops on the new channel which is the
> | | same as a Mod. The 7 supporters of
> | |
> | the
> | | new channel will all be channel operators (Mods). We are
> | | all supposed to
> | |
> | be
> |
> | | here to help each other. The channel will not stop that.
> | |
> | | The channel can also be like a family. Just because it's
> | | on IRC don't
> | |
> | mean
> | | it's a bad thing. Before you knock something, look into
> | | it and give it a try. To allow, and encourage, a certain
> | | amount of "chatter" is nice but
> | |
> | the
> |
> | | channel will allow all the chatter no matter what it is
> | | so long as it has nothing to do with porn. If someone on
> | | the channel don't like the type of chatter going on at
> | | that time, then they don't have to participate and are
> | | welcome to talk about what ever they want. Nothing
> | | anyone wants to talk about will be shot down.
> | |
> | | Like I said before, the channel will be there for anyone
> | | who wishes to
> | |
> | talk
> | | and get an instant answer at that time. They can and
> | | will still be part
> | |
> | of
> | | this group. No one will desert you're group. It is very
> | | easy to be in a channel and keep looking at your email
> | | for messages. What's wrong with someone wanting more for
> | | their time they spend on their computer and
> | |
> | what's
> | | wrong with someone wishing to have instant help for
> | | something that might need the help right now and not
> | | necessarily when someone gets ready to
> | |
> | reply
> |
> | | to their email. There is nothing wrong with the group
> | | nor is there
> | |
> | anything
> |
> | | wrong with the channel. Together we can all make a
> | | difference. We can
> | |
> | all
> | | help each other now in more ways then one.
> | |
> | | I have only one other question about the matter of this
> | | group. If it was
> | |
> | so
> |
> | | important to G Man, then why has he decided not to be
> | | part of it anymore?
> | |
> | I
> |
> | | have been here for a little while and have never heard
> | | anything about him until today. I WILL be around the
> | | channel at least 90 percent of the
> | |
> | time.
> |
> | | That really doesn't matter though. The group is here and
> | | will remain here and I imagine everyone who goes to the
> | | channel will also be here. It is very possible and easy
> | | to be in both. Just as the channel is concerned.
> | |
> | It
> |
> | | will be here and will stay here for a long time and
> | | nothing says the
> | |
> | members
> |
> | | of the channel has to stop this group. I don't plan on
> | | stopping or
> | |
> | helping
> | | where ever I can and I don't think anyone else will
> | | neither.
> | |
> | | Bob
> | |
> | |
> | | ----- Original Message -----
> | | From: "The Keyboard Cowboy" <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
> | | To: "Bob Crews" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:49 PM
> | | Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
> | |
> | |
> | | | Wait a second here...........
> | | |
> | | | I've been kind of quiet hoping this would die away.
> | | | It hasn't so I must step in.
> | | |
> | | | 1) I do NOT support a IRC channel........using it
> | | | would separate the learning that goes on here.
> | | | Every time someone asks a question here, five or
> | | | ten people learn something just by listening. If
> | | | it's asked on an IRC channel, there is no one else
> | | | reading the answer unless we all sit and monitor
> | | | the channel......bad situation. Additionally,
> | | | there is no archive to do research on. Lastly, the
> | | | idea of this group is to provide support to newer
> | | | PC users...........moving, even a part of the
> | | | group, to IRC involves even more learning for those
> | | | same people.
> | | |
> | | | 2) GMan was the founder of this group....and
> | | | worked damned hard to make it a success. Others
> | | | like myself, DrFaustus, SirTroth, and nightsneak
> | | | were hand picked to help administer the list.
> | | | Unfortunately, GMan ran into some personal problems
> | | | and had to leave the list. It was thought his
> | | | leave would be temporary, but it has become, I
> | | | guess, permanent. Nightsneak passed away from
> | | | cancer.
> | | |
> | | | 3) This group will remain here, and will be run as
> | | | it was originally intended......as a support group
> | | | where each of us helps the other, sharing our
> | | | collective understanding of computers and software.
> | | | We will dissuade all attempts to answer questions
> | | | off list, including using IRC, etc. as doing so
> | | | robs the other members of the answers to questions.
> | | | Remember, the intent is NOT to just provide an
> | | | answer to the person who asks the question, it is
> | | | to share the answer among many who read the
> | | | traffic, and who, though they may not have asked
> | | | the question, may also not know the answer.
> | | | Additionally, if the answer isn't shared..the
> | | | thread dies and even more information on the topic
> | | | of the thread will not be shared.
> | | |
> | | | 4) We have been rather hamstrung by not having
> | | | GMans leadership......the list belonged to him.
> | | | Recently, the list ownership has been transferred
> | | | to me. I gave Freelists the option to give it to
> | | | any of the current Mods.....it was given to me. I
> | | | cherish the help of the Mods we have, and hope they
> | | | will remain with the list. So far, they have done
> | | | just that, as evidenced by the fact that no one
> | | | noticed we'd changed ownership.......business is as
> | | | usual.
> | | |
> | | | 5) I've identified the need for at least two more
> | | | Mods to help with the list. The current Mods have
> | | | discussed this, and we've settled on two we'd like
> | | | to ask. We hope they will answer the call when
> | | | asked......we think they are good people and will
> | | | help the list a great deal. Remember that Mods
> | | | aren't picked because they are the smartest PC
> | | | people..........but because of their personality,
> | | | their demonstrated ability to communicate well,
> | | | their demonstrated desire to help others, and their
> | | | dedication to the list. More on this in the near
> | | | future.....but I hope the people we've elected to
> | | | ask will agree to serve us all.
> | | |
> | | | 6) Another aspect of the lists personality is that
> | | | most people who are members become part of a sort
> | | | of family. We allow, and encourage, a certain
> | | | amount of "chatter" or off-topic discussion. It
> | | | was this way when GMan owned the list, and it will
> | | | continue that way on my watch. We Mods believe it
> | | | adds to the sense of community, and helps those
> | | | reluctant to post, to feel at ease and contribute
> | | | to the community. Please remember, it is NOT the
> | | | Mods who provide the technical answers..........it
> | | | is the members themselves.....so everyone is valued
> | | | here.
> | | |
> | | | 7) The topic of the digest has come up before.
> | | | I'm sorry that some find the list traffic heavy.
> | | | While I sympathize with their dilemma, I will NOT
> | | | ask the list to curtail the number or length of
> | | | posts. I do agree we ought be respectful of
> | | | others, though, by making sure the topic is in
> | | | agreement with the post, and by minimizing the
> | | | older portions of each new post. That
> | | | means......don't cut everything off as it makes it
> | | | harder to follow the thread.........it does mean
> | | | cut off previous information that doesn't help
> | | | further the thread. The total traffic on this list
> | | | is still fairly small compared to the many lists
> | | | I've belonged to or moderated. For those few who
> | | | find it too much, perhaps other lists would be more
> | | | suited to their needs. I will not curtail this
> | | | list to suit a few.
> | | |
> | | | 8) Lastly, I want to thank those people who have
> | | | been here a long time, and who have stayed with the
> | | | list even when it seemed down and doomed. I'm
> | | | excited, as I see the number of posts
> | | | increasing.....the content getting more diversified
> | | | and interesting. I wish to thank not only the few
> | | | Mods we have, but all you regulars who hang in here
> | | | every day and take the time to answer questions --
> | | | it is YOU people who are the heart and soul of this
> | | | list.
> | | |
> | | | If anyone has questions, please feel free to ask
> | | | them. We are not heavy handed here.........the
> | | | only real rules are that this list:
> | | |
> | | | 1) Respects all its members and believes there are
> | | | no stupid questions.
> | | | 2) Requires that all members treat each others
> | | | posts with respect. In simple terms......never post
> | | | anything here you wouldn't post to your mother,
> | | | daughter, or minister <G>
> | | |
> | | | Regards from
> | | |
> | | | Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
> | | | ,,,,,,,,
> | | | =3DD4=3DBF=3DD4=3DAC
> | | | Cincinnati, Ohio
> | | | Scottsdale, Arizona
> | | | ---------------------------------
> | | | Sunday, 2/13/2005, @ 7:14:24 PM EST
> | | | ---------------------------------
> | | | A man should never be ashamed to own that he has
> | | | been in the wrong, which is but saying that he is
> | | | wiser today than he was yesterday.
> | | |
> | | | -- Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English Poet
> | | |
> | |
> |
> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D|:o:|=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3
> | D=3D3D=3D3
> |
> | | D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D
> | |
> | | | On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:21 -0600, Bob Crews
> | | | wrote: Hi Mike, |
> | | | Don't get me wrong Mike, It's a very nice group. I
> | | | like it as does my wife. I also understand people
> | | | preferring on topic posts being put here. I just
> | | | don't understand why G man would possibly be so
> | | | down on it. Anyway, it's not really a big deal. I
> | | | am opening a irc channel for the purpose of having
> | | | computer help an general chat. That way maybe
> | | | there will be less off topic talk here. If you
> | | | would like to make it known to new people on this
> | | | group that there is a new channel they can go to,
> | | | it might help. I will promise you that we will not
> | | | try to pull your users away from this group. The
> | | | new channel is just so there is a place where
> | | | people can go and get "real time" inf. and chat as
> | | | well. You are invited as well. You do not have to
> | | | be a supporter to be part of the channel. I was
> | | | asking for supporters before because it calls for 7
> | | | supporters in order for me to be able to start the
> | | | new channel. |
> | | | If you or anyone else has any questions about the
> | | | new channel, please feel free to notify me with my
> | | | personal email address. | Bob | | ----- Original
> | | | Message ----- From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx> To:
> | | | <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February
> | | | 13, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- G man
> | | | | | Hi Bob,
> | | | I changed the Subject to match the thread. |
> | | | G man was one of the founders of this group. I
> | | | assisted with the move to here on Freelists from
> | | | Yahoo. |
> | | | Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new.
> | | | Editor MikesWhatsNews http://www.mwn.ca/ | *******
> | | | Mike's REPLY SEPARATOR ********* | On 2/13/2005 at
> | | | 12:54 PM Bob Crews wrote: |
> | | | Well, just exactly who is G man? Maybe he's one of
> | | | the supporters for the new channel because one of
> | | | them is using the nick name of G. Anyway, nothing
> | | | WRONG or BAD is going on in HIS group. Just an
> | | | over sight. Big deal. | Bob | ----- Original
> | | | Message ----- From: "John W" <skeets@xxxxxxxxx> To:
> | | | <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February
> | | | 13, 2005 12:30 PM
> | | | Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- Re: Problem with modem
> | | | | |
> | | | Sometimes I'm glad that G Man isn't around to see
> | | | what's going on here on his group! | John S N I P
> | | | S N I P S N I P S N I P |
> | | | please trim for the benifit of those on digest | To
> | | | unsub or change your email settings:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk | To
> | | | access our Archives:
> | | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | | | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ | For
> | | | more info:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/cgi-
> | | | bin/list?list_id=3D3Dpctechtalk | | To unsub or
> | | | change your email settings:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk | To
> | | | access our Archives:
> | | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | | | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ | For
> | | | more info:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/cgi-
> | | | bin/list?list_id=3D3Dpctechtalk
> | | |
> | | |
> | | | To unsub or change your email settings:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
> | | |
> | | | To access our Archives:
> | | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | | | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
> | | |
> | | | For more info:
> | | | //www.freelists.org/cgi-
> | | | bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk
> | | |
> | |
> | | To unsub or change your email settings:
> | | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
> | |
> | | To access our Archives:
> | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
> | |
> | | For more info:
> | | //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk
> | |
> | | To unsub or change your email settings:
> | | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
> | |
> | | To access our Archives:
> | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
> | |
> | | For more info:
> | | //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk
> |
> |
> | To unsub or change your email settings:
> | //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
> |
> | To access our Archives:
> | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> | //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
> |
> | For more info:
> | //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk
>
>
>
>
> To unsub or change your email settings:
> //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
>
> To access our Archives:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
> //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
>
> For more info:
> //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk
>
To unsub or change your email settings:
//www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk
To access our Archives:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/
//www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/
For more info:
//www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk
Other related posts:
