-=PCTechTalk=- Re: Troth
- From: The Keyboard Cowboy <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Bashful Bob <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:31:20 -0500
We all miss him Bob...........but he is doing what he does
best.....giving himself to the people in his life. A great example
for all of us! As we say in the fire department........"he's got his
sh*t together".
Sorry - don't mean to offend anyone.
Regards from
Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
,,,,,,,,
=D4=BF=D4=AC
Cincinnati, Ohio
Scottsdale, Arizona
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Sunday, 2/13/2005, @ 11:29:11 PM EST
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:21:35 -0600, Bashful Bob wrote:
| Troth
| Next time you hear from Gman, Please give him my regards and
| wishes for the best. Please tell him he is missed.
|
| thanks
| Life is what happens in between plans.
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| Original Message ----- From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005
| 10:07 PM Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
|
|
| | Bob, you seem to be missing the point on KC's statement.
| | If you want to start an IRC room, then go ahead. There's
| | no fear that people will leave this list to go to an IRC
| | room. The list already has a loyal following.
| |
| And,
| | this is not a dictatorship. If someone doesn't like the
| | list, they leave. Why would we want to pin people here
| | that aren't interested. IRC chats are fun and a
| | refreshing change to an email list sometimes. But, and I
| | agree with this, IRC is usually not the best medium for
| | tech help. I don't
| |
| know...
| | maybe its me. But, I can't go into an IRC room and just
| | hang around. I could, however, go to an IRC room when I
| | wanna toss some time around
| |
| meeting
| | new people with similar interests. I used to be on IRC a
| | lot, until my
| |
| time
| | became lacking. For me, email just works better. But,
| | this is why all of
| |
| the
| | best tech support groups on the web either use bulletin
| | board software (vBulletin, phpBB, etc) or an email list,
| | such as ours. If you want to
| |
| start
| | an IRC room, go for it... but, just set it up, give the
| | details once, and let's move on.
| |
| | Regarding Gman... you obviously didn't completely read
| | KC's post. In his
| |
| #2
| | statement... "Gman ran into some personal problems." More
| | specifically,
| |
| Gman
| | ran into some financial problems. Should we go deeper?
| | No, of course not. Technically, its not important WHAT
| | those problems are... only that the
| |
| guy
| | has some deeper issues to deal with. Imagine telling your
| | wife or children that the computer and internet are more
| | important... wouldn't stand, would it. Point is, Gman
| | started this list several years ago. He was on a list
| | that was geared to a different topic (tech topic, but not
| | really tech support), and he decided to spin off into his
| | own list, to help those less knowledgeable. He brought a
| | few us along for the ride and recruited new hands. As
| | anyone that has dealt with him can tell you, he went out
| | of his way to help. And, he was very good at explaining
| | things. Maybe that was
| |
| his
| | "instructor" skills, since he was a guitar teacher as
| | well.
| |
| | So... now you know what you need to know about Gman. And,
| | you know, I
| |
| don't
| | believe he's gone permanently. I know he'll eventually be
| | back. Unfortunately, his email addresses that we have are
| | down as well. But, we get an occasional email from him.
| |
| | ---Troth
| |
| |
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| | [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
| | Crews Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:43 PM To:
| | pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
| |
| | Bob,
| |
| | Well I'm really sorry you are so one sided and feel the
| | way you do.
| |
| Number
| | one, no one said anyone would quit this group because
| | there's a channel on IRC for them to go to and be able to
| | talk live without having to wait for someone to get done
| | cooking supper, or to get back from a trip or come to
| | think of it, the owner won't run off and leave someone
| | else holding the
| |
| bag
| | of running the channel/group.
| |
| | No one said they have to quit this group. If you don't
| | like the idea then don't bother coming to the channel.
| | It's as simple as that. I don't plan on quitting the
| | group neither simply because not all people are going to
| |
| go
| | on IRC. But for those who are going on IRC, more power
| | to them if they
| |
| wish
|
| | to better themselves. There's no reason to start jumping
| | on their cases
| |
| and
|
| | raising hell simply because they plan on doing something
| | you don't care to do. That is very one sided and dis-
| | respectful.
| |
| | As far as your last statement here, why do you think
| | someone's mother
| |
| would
| | look down on them simply because they go to an IRC
| | channel? They go there because they wish to and maybe
| | even to better themselves. As I said, no
| |
| one
|
| | has been told they should leave this group. The channel
| | is so no one has
| |
| to
|
| | wait until someone decides to reply to their post and so
| | no one will yell
| |
| at
|
| | them because they talked about something other then
| | computers or programs.
| |
| | More power to the new Mods. I wish them well. There
| | will also be channel ops on the new channel which is the
| | same as a Mod. The 7 supporters of
| |
| the
| | new channel will all be channel operators (Mods). We are
| | all supposed to
| |
| be
|
| | here to help each other. The channel will not stop that.
| |
| | The channel can also be like a family. Just because it's
| | on IRC don't
| |
| mean
| | it's a bad thing. Before you knock something, look into
| | it and give it a try. To allow, and encourage, a certain
| | amount of "chatter" is nice but
| |
| the
|
| | channel will allow all the chatter no matter what it is
| | so long as it has nothing to do with porn. If someone on
| | the channel don't like the type of chatter going on at
| | that time, then they don't have to participate and are
| | welcome to talk about what ever they want. Nothing
| | anyone wants to talk about will be shot down.
| |
| | Like I said before, the channel will be there for anyone
| | who wishes to
| |
| talk
| | and get an instant answer at that time. They can and
| | will still be part
| |
| of
| | this group. No one will desert you're group. It is very
| | easy to be in a channel and keep looking at your email
| | for messages. What's wrong with someone wanting more for
| | their time they spend on their computer and
| |
| what's
| | wrong with someone wishing to have instant help for
| | something that might need the help right now and not
| | necessarily when someone gets ready to
| |
| reply
|
| | to their email. There is nothing wrong with the group
| | nor is there
| |
| anything
|
| | wrong with the channel. Together we can all make a
| | difference. We can
| |
| all
| | help each other now in more ways then one.
| |
| | I have only one other question about the matter of this
| | group. If it was
| |
| so
|
| | important to G Man, then why has he decided not to be
| | part of it anymore?
| |
| I
|
| | have been here for a little while and have never heard
| | anything about him until today. I WILL be around the
| | channel at least 90 percent of the
| |
| time.
|
| | That really doesn't matter though. The group is here and
| | will remain here and I imagine everyone who goes to the
| | channel will also be here. It is very possible and easy
| | to be in both. Just as the channel is concerned.
| |
| It
|
| | will be here and will stay here for a long time and
| | nothing says the
| |
| members
|
| | of the channel has to stop this group. I don't plan on
| | stopping or
| |
| helping
| | where ever I can and I don't think anyone else will
| | neither.
| |
| | Bob
| |
| |
| | ----- Original Message -----
| | From: "The Keyboard Cowboy" <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
| | To: "Bob Crews" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| | Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:49 PM
| | Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: G man
| |
| |
| | | Wait a second here...........
| | |
| | | I've been kind of quiet hoping this would die away.
| | | It hasn't so I must step in.
| | |
| | | 1) I do NOT support a IRC channel........using it
| | | would separate the learning that goes on here.
| | | Every time someone asks a question here, five or
| | | ten people learn something just by listening. If
| | | it's asked on an IRC channel, there is no one else
| | | reading the answer unless we all sit and monitor
| | | the channel......bad situation. Additionally,
| | | there is no archive to do research on. Lastly, the
| | | idea of this group is to provide support to newer
| | | PC users...........moving, even a part of the
| | | group, to IRC involves even more learning for those
| | | same people.
| | |
| | | 2) GMan was the founder of this group....and
| | | worked damned hard to make it a success. Others
| | | like myself, DrFaustus, SirTroth, and nightsneak
| | | were hand picked to help administer the list.
| | | Unfortunately, GMan ran into some personal problems
| | | and had to leave the list. It was thought his
| | | leave would be temporary, but it has become, I
| | | guess, permanent. Nightsneak passed away from
| | | cancer.
| | |
| | | 3) This group will remain here, and will be run as
| | | it was originally intended......as a support group
| | | where each of us helps the other, sharing our
| | | collective understanding of computers and software.
| | | We will dissuade all attempts to answer questions
| | | off list, including using IRC, etc. as doing so
| | | robs the other members of the answers to questions.
| | | Remember, the intent is NOT to just provide an
| | | answer to the person who asks the question, it is
| | | to share the answer among many who read the
| | | traffic, and who, though they may not have asked
| | | the question, may also not know the answer.
| | | Additionally, if the answer isn't shared..the
| | | thread dies and even more information on the topic
| | | of the thread will not be shared.
| | |
| | | 4) We have been rather hamstrung by not having
| | | GMans leadership......the list belonged to him.
| | | Recently, the list ownership has been transferred
| | | to me. I gave Freelists the option to give it to
| | | any of the current Mods.....it was given to me. I
| | | cherish the help of the Mods we have, and hope they
| | | will remain with the list. So far, they have done
| | | just that, as evidenced by the fact that no one
| | | noticed we'd changed ownership.......business is as
| | | usual.
| | |
| | | 5) I've identified the need for at least two more
| | | Mods to help with the list. The current Mods have
| | | discussed this, and we've settled on two we'd like
| | | to ask. We hope they will answer the call when
| | | asked......we think they are good people and will
| | | help the list a great deal. Remember that Mods
| | | aren't picked because they are the smartest PC
| | | people..........but because of their personality,
| | | their demonstrated ability to communicate well,
| | | their demonstrated desire to help others, and their
| | | dedication to the list. More on this in the near
| | | future.....but I hope the people we've elected to
| | | ask will agree to serve us all.
| | |
| | | 6) Another aspect of the lists personality is that
| | | most people who are members become part of a sort
| | | of family. We allow, and encourage, a certain
| | | amount of "chatter" or off-topic discussion. It
| | | was this way when GMan owned the list, and it will
| | | continue that way on my watch. We Mods believe it
| | | adds to the sense of community, and helps those
| | | reluctant to post, to feel at ease and contribute
| | | to the community. Please remember, it is NOT the
| | | Mods who provide the technical answers..........it
| | | is the members themselves.....so everyone is valued
| | | here.
| | |
| | | 7) The topic of the digest has come up before.
| | | I'm sorry that some find the list traffic heavy.
| | | While I sympathize with their dilemma, I will NOT
| | | ask the list to curtail the number or length of
| | | posts. I do agree we ought be respectful of
| | | others, though, by making sure the topic is in
| | | agreement with the post, and by minimizing the
| | | older portions of each new post. That
| | | means......don't cut everything off as it makes it
| | | harder to follow the thread.........it does mean
| | | cut off previous information that doesn't help
| | | further the thread. The total traffic on this list
| | | is still fairly small compared to the many lists
| | | I've belonged to or moderated. For those few who
| | | find it too much, perhaps other lists would be more
| | | suited to their needs. I will not curtail this
| | | list to suit a few.
| | |
| | | 8) Lastly, I want to thank those people who have
| | | been here a long time, and who have stayed with the
| | | list even when it seemed down and doomed. I'm
| | | excited, as I see the number of posts
| | | increasing.....the content getting more diversified
| | | and interesting. I wish to thank not only the few
| | | Mods we have, but all you regulars who hang in here
| | | every day and take the time to answer questions --
| | | it is YOU people who are the heart and soul of this
| | | list.
| | |
| | | If anyone has questions, please feel free to ask
| | | them. We are not heavy handed here.........the
| | | only real rules are that this list:
| | |
| | | 1) Respects all its members and believes there are
| | | no stupid questions.
| | | 2) Requires that all members treat each others
| | | posts with respect. In simple terms......never post
| | | anything here you wouldn't post to your mother,
| | | daughter, or minister <G>
| | |
| | | Regards from
| | |
| | | Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
| | | ,,,,,,,,
| | | =3DD4=3DBF=3DD4=3DAC
| | | Cincinnati, Ohio
| | | Scottsdale, Arizona
| | | ---------------------------------
| | | Sunday, 2/13/2005, @ 7:14:24 PM EST
| | | ---------------------------------
| | | A man should never be ashamed to own that he has
| | | been in the wrong, which is but saying that he is
| | | wiser today than he was yesterday.
| | |
| | | -- Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English Poet
| | |
| |
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| | | On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:21 -0600, Bob Crews
| | | wrote: Hi Mike, |
| | | Don't get me wrong Mike, It's a very nice group. I
| | | like it as does my wife. I also understand people
| | | preferring on topic posts being put here. I just
| | | don't understand why G man would possibly be so
| | | down on it. Anyway, it's not really a big deal. I
| | | am opening a irc channel for the purpose of having
| | | computer help an general chat. That way maybe
| | | there will be less off topic talk here. If you
| | | would like to make it known to new people on this
| | | group that there is a new channel they can go to,
| | | it might help. I will promise you that we will not
| | | try to pull your users away from this group. The
| | | new channel is just so there is a place where
| | | people can go and get "real time" inf. and chat as
| | | well. You are invited as well. You do not have to
| | | be a supporter to be part of the channel. I was
| | | asking for supporters before because it calls for 7
| | | supporters in order for me to be able to start the
| | | new channel. |
| | | If you or anyone else has any questions about the
| | | new channel, please feel free to notify me with my
| | | personal email address. | Bob | | ----- Original
| | | Message ----- From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx> To:
| | | <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February
| | | 13, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- G man
| | | | | Hi Bob,
| | | I changed the Subject to match the thread. |
| | | G man was one of the founders of this group. I
| | | assisted with the move to here on Freelists from
| | | Yahoo. |
| | | Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new.
| | | Editor MikesWhatsNews http://www.mwn.ca/ | *******
| | | Mike's REPLY SEPARATOR ********* | On 2/13/2005 at
| | | 12:54 PM Bob Crews wrote: |
| | | Well, just exactly who is G man? Maybe he's one of
| | | the supporters for the new channel because one of
| | | them is using the nick name of G. Anyway, nothing
| | | WRONG or BAD is going on in HIS group. Just an
| | | over sight. Big deal. | Bob | ----- Original
| | | Message ----- From: "John W" <skeets@xxxxxxxxx> To:
| | | <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February
| | | 13, 2005 12:30 PM
| | | Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- Re: Problem with modem
| | | | |
| | | Sometimes I'm glad that G Man isn't around to see
| | | what's going on here on his group! | John S N I P
| | | S N I P S N I P S N I P |
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