-=PCTechTalk=- Re: Mozilla and Netscape
- From: "David J. Weaver" <weaverdj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:10:09 -0400
I also forgot to mention the 8088. To tell the truth about the Compaq issue
I'm not real sure. And while I'll agree that most NS fans don't consider
anything past 4.7x to be truly NS (and I must agree with you on this), a
newbie wouldn't know about that. You are not the first or probably the last
person that I will probably here that from. Unfortunately NS is not doing
anything new with the 4.X line of which I am aware, and I do have a friend
who works on it. Blurring the line, comes from with NS itself. And Mozilla
still provides the engine for NS, although there is more proprietary code
(bloatware).
And as to why I thought you maybe referring to me: You posted that in
response to my post. Usually this means you have something to say regarding
the previous post. If that wasn't the case, I am sorry I responded the way
I did. I would have responded that instead of calling them smartalecks,
inform them. Most newbies in fact have either no opinion or an uniformed
opinion. Provide opinion with fact so that they too may have an informed
intelligent opinion, whether you agree or not. Everyone started out as a
newbie, in a group like this, staying a newbie shouldn't be an option.
And I wouldn't say that what you have done in the past is irrelevant either.
It is what got us here today, indirectly or directly I won't say. The
internet came out of ARPANET (correct acronym?). My grandfather also
served in the Navy during WWII. Thank you for serving.
You have a good day Jack, and don't let the newbies get to you. That's why
we are hear, to teach, guide, and inform.
David Weaver
Bore: A person who talks when you wish him to listen.
- Ambrose Bierce
-----Original Message-----
From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jack Fuselier
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:32 AM
To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Mozilla and Netscape
Well, David, I'm sorry you have taken that position. If you are not
a smartaleck newbie, why would you think I am referring to you? Perhaps
since you already consider NS a dead issue and have gone on to bigger
and better things, you are not aware of the ignorance about NS 4.xx.
by the MS addicts. I personally do not consider anything later than
4.xx to be truly Netscape, and folks like you help to blur the distinction
between the original NS, which was Mozilla, and this AOL/NS crap.
As for personal history in computers and electronics in general, I
sincerely doubt whether many on the web have more electronics history
than I, starting as a shipboard radio operator in WW11, and threading
my own magnetic cores in the late fifties while teaching electronics.
All of that is totally irrelevant however, isn't it?.
BTW, wasn't Compaq the first to use the 8086 in a 16 bit personal computer?
As I recall, IBM used the 80286 as their next step from the 8 bit pc.
regards, Jack F
"David J. Weaver" wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> If you are referring to me, step back. I am not a newbie. I cut my teeth
> on an IBM 8086. When I got done with that I started toying with
Commodores,
> Atari's, one system called the Lynx (not Atari, if anyone ever heard of
that
> one let me know), etc. I cut my teeth on PC-DOS, MS-DOS, Unix, and
> programming languages such as COBOL, FORTRAN, and PASCAL (none of which
you
> hear very much anymore unless your really in the industry. I also custom
> build PCs and run a home based business fixing these infernal
contraptions,
> both hardware and software. I'm also only 31. I also beta test for MS.
> (And no I'm not a big Windows, IE supporter). I prefer Linux (Lindows
> currently), and Open-Source and freeware alternatives for my personal use.
> Business wise I do use MS as it is a compatibility issue with other
people.
>
> And I never knocked Netscape. What I will say about Netscape is this.
When
> it first came out, it was a viable alternative, unfortunately Netscape
> didn't push the envelope enough times. Every time they did, IE caught up.
> And now Netscape is being put out by AOL. Netscape has changed into
> bloatware, AOL-esque style no less. The day Netscape sees fit to go back
to
> their original vision of a better, leaner browser than IE I will gladly
give
> them a chance. However, I don't see that as happening, since Mozilla is
now
> out (and Netscape is based on Mozilla, not the other way around). The
> Mozilla project is being funded by AOL also (something that concerns me
> quite a lot (can we say Time-Warner's version of Palladium?)).
>
> And people are allowed to their opinions, including the opinion to knock
> whatever program they want. They are also entitled to change their
> opinions. I like Opera a lot better than IE or Netscape till Mozilla
> release its official 1.0 version. Now IE joins Netscape, sitting on a
> little corner of my hard drive, for website testing and helping answer
tech
> questions about these two programs. I offered my opinions and observations
> as just that, not facts.
>
> Sorry for the rant. But between this list and other tech lists that I am
> on, it feels as if the free tech help world is going to h***.
>
> David Weaver
>
> Bore: A person who talks when you wish him to listen.
> - Ambrose Bierce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jack Fuselier
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:54 AM
> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Mozilla and Netscape
>
> For one thing, I have gotten pretty fed up with smartaleck knowitall
> newbies knocking Netscape 4.xx. It still works better and faster and
> is more intuitively user friendly than anything else I ever tried.
> Is this a free country for browser choice or not? Jack F
>
> "David J. Weaver" wrote:
> >
> > Mozilla is the engine that Netscape uses. It is also the basis for
> KMeleon,
> > and some other open-source browsers.
> >
> > Personally I would like to see Mozilla as the new standard rather than
IE.
> > Mozilla is cross-OS compatible, it isn't owned by any one person, and
they
> > take new ideas seriously. It's free, easy to use and add-ons are
readily
> > available. It's also quick.
> >
> > Let's hear anyone (including Bill) say that about IE.
> >
> > David Weaver
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