I've had two updates that caused a similar problems on two different computers and an old command line utility solved them both. The first update caused btkrnl.sys (unsure of spelling but the legit bluetooth kernel for XP) to loop causing the system to constantly reboot. after the update The second update after I rebooted would get past the login screen and then just shut down. Couldn't boot into safe mode, nothing. PIA. CHKDSK /R took care of them both. Couldn't believe it. DOS to the rescue. And who says God doesn't exist? Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. To unsubscribe or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------