Hello Victor, Saturday, June 7, 2003, 6:05:14 AM, you wrote: VF> they are proud of this fact ;) In any case, when I refer to Winmodems, VF> please read it as "Winmodems(tm), host-based modems, HCF-modems, HSP-modems, VF> and all similar modem-like hardware." I think "host-based modem" covers them all adequately, althought it's a rather boring name. Here's the reference on their site: http://www.usr.com/adbuilder/ab-tips-trade-ref.asp Of course, any time you use it without the ® symbol, you risk receiving a nice letter and/or email from a USRobotics® lawyer. I think it's probably a lost cause in this case, though, since it's been used as a generic term for so long already that most people don't even realize that it's not a gereric term. --Scott. To unsubscribe from this list send an email to pcductape-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface.