Terri, Since you are on the account that is 1 more reason to make you
Secretary...I have nothing against Kevin, but since he is not on the
account the bank would still probably still balk at putting Eric on the
account.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Terri <starstuff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't recall Bruce signing to be on the PAS bank account. Rod Sutter
may have but might also have been removed when Mike took over. Mike and I
are on the account. Mike might be considered current Secretary / Treasurer.
Sent from my TARDIS via my Samsung Galaxy S5 Android Phone complete with
typos for your enjoyment.
On Jul 10, 2015 2:46 PM, "Eric Steinberg" <eric@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Couple of things:
1) To my knowledge all Arizona corporations are required by law to have a
Secretary.
2) Aside from his whereabouts, there is some question as to whether Bruce
was ever made a signatory on the account, which if true, will make things
difficult.
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: pasmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
pasmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kjwitts@xxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: pasmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Terri
Subject: [pasmembers] Re: Election of Secretary, not Appointment
Maybe I'm over simplifying this, but why can't Bruce, who is still
President, add Eric to the account?
---- Terri <starstuff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sam and Don,by the Secretary of the club.
it is ridiculous to be resigning as a position just because we aren't
following the by-laws. And as far as following, I don't see what harm
it is in creating, assuming we create the position, and then voting in
a new secretary.
Don, i appreciate your input. You have always helped me stay on track
with the by-laws of the club. And I thank you.
But i don't see why, as Sam has said, we can't do both of these things
at one meeting? I already called the special meeting. All we have to
do is vote in the Secretary position or appoint it, and then vote in
someone to take the position, in that order. No need to make another
special meeting to do this.
Now, why, you might ask, do we want a Secretary position? It is
because the bank is being difficult and won't let Mike, who is
Treasurer, or Me, who is Vice President, do the Presidents job of
adding Eric, who will be Treasurer, to the account. It has to be done
WE haven't had a Secretary of the club and as far as I know, we hadinterested members.
one a long time ago, back before I got involved, and the position, I
thought, was maintained within the by-laws, but never put into effect.
Now that we need a Secretary of the club, I"d like to propose we elect
or appoint a Secretary position, and then vote to add a PAS member as
Secretary of the club.
Since Sam is acting president, Sam can most likely, thru this email,
appoint a Secretary position to be added to the By-laws. Couldn't he
do that now, in writing to the club members on this list serv? And
then, tomorrow we vote in the new Secretary, of which there are 2 of
us running for this position. I must say, I"m glad we have other
Thank you. So, you will be voting on either Kevin Witts or Terri Finchmeeting.
as Secretary of the Club. May the best candidate Win. Kevin and I have
discussed this and it doesn't' matter who takes the position, we will
work together to make PAS a better club for all. But please, feel free
to put in your vote by Proxy if you can not attend tomorrow's Business
am happy to see that Terri is going
Does anyone else want to run for Secretary of PAS? It is open to any
current PAS Member. I wasn't saying that only Kevin or Terri are able
to be elected to the position.
So, Sam, can we have you create the Secretary position? Is that how it
works? And then Don can edit the By-laws to show we have a Secretary
position (which should have already been in the by-laws) and then from
there, tomorrow's meeting will occur.
I appreciate everyone's input on this.
I have to leave now to go Teach. Have a super afternoon. I May or may
not be in my email again until morning when i look to see who left
Proxy votes for me to tally, before tomorrow night's meeting.
Have a super weekend! Everyone.
Terri, Event Coordinator
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Redacted sender insanas@xxxxxxx for
DMARC < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don, Terri has just indicated that we will vote on both issues,
creation of the sec position and then vote for the new secretary. No
one wants you to resign. You are a fine editor and an asset to the
club. I don't believe your duties require adjudicating disputes of
the bylaws. However, all PAS members are allowed to review them and
can have their own opinion. After looking at your opinion and mine, I
one issue.ahead with both votes (assuming the sec position is created). Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boyd <azphotog@xxxxxxxxx>
To: pasmembers <pasmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 1:27 pm
Subject: [pasmembers] Re: Election of Secretary, not Appointment
Sam you are wrong. I never heard that Kevin was ruinning until
after my first reply...I have always corrected terry when she has
said that we will be voting to have her elected as Secretary...we
were always and only voting to amend the bylaws to create the
position. I am looking for an email in which I pointed out to Terry
that we cannot vote for her to be elected.. If you insist on voting
on her...then I must respectfully resign my position as editor.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Redacted sender insanas@xxxxxxx
for DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don, I totally disagree with your tortured analysis. No one
objected to the voting until Kevin announced he was running. Now
you try some convoluted way to block the vote.
There is nothing forbidding this special meeting for which members
were given over one month's notice. The meeting can have more than
plenty of notice given.The first issue is whether to have a new position as secretary and
the second issue is to vote in the new secretary.
The citation you provide has to do with when an office is vacated
(someone leaves an existing position mid term) or when no one
wants to run for the position at the annual meeting. Those two
parameters do not apply in this case. We are voting to create a new
officer position and then voting to fill that spot. There has been
moot.If the new secretary position is voted down then the election is
Secretary position, *and then toIf the new secretary position is approved then we can vote for the
secretary since everyone has been given proper notice and the
special meeting was to elect the new secretary. Only if the new
position is created and then no one wants to run for secretary
would the situation arise for appointment.
Sam Insana
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boyd < azphotog@xxxxxxxxx>
To: pasmembers < pasmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 1:06 pm
Subject: [pasmembers] Re: Election of Secretary, not Appointment
Terry was wrong we cannot vote on this...I corrected Terry on
this. We cannot call a special meeting to hold an election for a
position which does not exist. After the meeting to create the
position THEN and ONLY then can we call a special meeting to elect
a member to this position. This a quote from the bylaws of
PAS.:"Article 5 Section e. Vacated Office: If any office is
vacated, either in-term or due to lack of a candidate for
succession, the President (or acting-President) shall assume
responsibility for the duties of that office. The President (or
acting-President) may retain these duties, or delegate them in
accordance with Article 3, paragraph f, *or may call a Special
Meeting for the purpose of nominating and electing a replacement
for the vacated office. *
*By common sense the meeting could *
*Sam I am not trying to userpt the members right to vote for a
position. I am trying to uphold *
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Redacted sender insanas@xxxxxxx
for DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don, I have to strongly disagree with you. On June 9, 2015, PAS
members were given notice of a special meeting on July 11th. This
was done by Terri, who at the time was and is Vice President of
PAS. This was done through the PAS website, and her announcement
stated: "The Special Meeting is to edit the PAS By-laws to add a
c.vote in a Secretary*." According to PAS Bylaws Article 5 section
did).Any Officer can call a Special Meeting (which vice president Terri
secretarial position andThen Article 5 section e. allows for PAS members to vote at such a
special meeting, in person or by proxy. Terri then confirmed
through her email today that we will be voting on whether to add a
trying tothen voting for the new secretary. Don, you are mistaken in
procedural due process.cancel the voting process. You are trying to deny our PAS members
their right to vote, which is a denial of substantive and
the new secretary.While officers are usually elected in May, there is nothing in the
By-laws to prevent voting in officers at a special meeting. I plan
to vote on Sat at the MOM for the new secretary position and for
position, of secretary.Sam Insana PAS member and President elect
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boyd < azphotog@xxxxxxxxx>
To: pasmembers < pasmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 11:13 am
Subject: [pasmembers] Re: This Saturday's event at Mike's - rain
or shine - unless it floods
Actually this position will be appointed since having to have an
election would require another meeting to be called; at the May
meeting this position will be up for election. The only thing we
are voting on is to change the bylaws to add another officer
wrote:
Don
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Terri <starstuff@xxxxxxxxx>
Luminaria events.
Mom's = Meeting of the Minds (PAS Business Meeting)
Good morning PAS Members,
We have a Meeting of the Minds this Saturday at Mike's home
with a
5:30 potluck, the Meeting of the minds about 7pm, and then a Dark
sky viewing session for PAS Members and their immediate families
only. No Guests.
For the Meeting of the Minds... if you have a topic that needs
to be discussed, please feel free to send it my way.
We have the General Membership MOM's in September, and this
MOM's, this Saturday, is aimed more towards a quick vote - which
is why all PAS Members are invited to attend, and then open it up
to a discussion between the Star Tour Members about the upcoming
their scopes for the star party.
During the Star Tours discussion, the General Membership, if
they do not wish to join in the discussion, may move to the
kitchen and enjoy more food, have desert, or start setting up
discussion.But all Star Tours members should attend the Star Tours
know you will attend this dark sky event.
Right now, other than the vote, which is very needed, the
General Members have no specific topics to discuss, so if you
want to talk about the club, or anything, in general, please send
me your topics so I can put them into the Agenda and we can get
through the meeting quickly and on to the Star Party, for which I
and if you want to bring your scope, do so... and let's have a super
Now, at the top of this page, in the Subject line, i added, rain
or shine. The potluck & MOM's will happen rain or shine, unless
it is flooding Mike's house. Yesterday, my awesome Weather
Watching Team sent me an update for the forecast for Saturday's
event at Mike's, as far as the star party goes, and it looks like
we may have clouds for some part of the night. It didn't look
like overcast, but it does seem like clouds will come and go
throughout the night. This hasn't stopped us from having a very
successful event, in the past, at Mike's. So, bring your family,
evening together.
next MOM's so they can be approved.
Your input in the vote is requested. We are voting in a
Secretary of the club. This is an office position. The PAS Member
who is voted in as Secretary will take the Minutes of the
Meetings (the MOM's - not the General meetings) and provide a
copy of the Minutes to the General members by email before the
review.Up until now, the Minutes of the Meetings have always been
included as part of the review I write about the Mom's. We are
just making it more official and the minutes may be listed on the
website in the future, as a separate document for PAS Members to
was a fantastic meal!!!
If you can not make this Meeting of the Minds, you may send in
your proxy vote to me. I will bring those votes to the meeting.
Please get them to me by *end of day today*.
We need to nominate a Secretary of the Club, and then vote to
have them become the Secretary. If you have a nominee, or just
want to go with the rest of the members votes, let me know. I
will carry your vote to the meeting.
PS: I am running for Secretary, in case you just want to help
the vote. Thanks. It was mentioned that I already do this
position, when writing the reviews of the meetings, so why not
have me continue, but with the Title.
Everyone have a spectacular day and an astronomical weekend!
When you RSVP in the private calendar to attend, please include
the food you are bringing to the potluck. We have a super
successful event last weekend at Mike's, with all sorts of fun
foods, and because the list was right there, everyone enjoyed the
foods, knew what others were bringing and we had no duplicates. It
Terri, Vice President until September, but still Event
Coordinator, and running for Secretary.
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