[O Velho News] Re: VNC
- From: "Diogo Miranda" <dom.usa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:49:46 -0500
Posso tentar fazer uns testes amanha, talvez tenha uma opcao para criar
apenas 1 secao para cada usuario conectado. Do jeito que eu testei hoje soh
dava para controlar 1 cliente infelizmente :(
Amanha eu dou mais uma olhada quando voltar para o trabalho
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilgamesh" <gilgao@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
> Não é controlar varios servidores ao mesmo tempo, mas sim vários cliente
> acessarem o mesmo servidor ao mesmo tempo, na mesma sessão para que
> todos vejam a mesma tela. Quanto "mesmo" :P
> Tem como?
>
>
>
> Diogo Miranda wrote:
>
> >Existe o terminal services manager, ja vem com a familia de servers.
> >Voce pode controla as secoes mas nao da para controlar mais que 1 ao
> >mesmo tempo :(
> >
> > __ __
> > / \ /| |'-.
> > .\__/ || | |
> > _ / `._ \|_|_.-'
> > | / \__.`=3D._) (_
> > |/ ._/ |"""""""""|
> > |'. `\ | |
> > ;"""/ / | |
> > ) /_/| |.-------.|
> > ' `-`' " "
> >!****************************************!
> >! Diogo Miranda !
> >! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
> >!****************************************!
> >! 'Things don't bug you if you don't !
> >! think about them.' -- Calvin !
> >!****************************************!
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
> >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:34 PM
> >To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
> >
> >O remote desktop web =E9 uma boa alternativa, mas como eu fa=E7o para os
=
> >
> >usu=E1rios acessarem a mesma sess=E3o?
> >E =E9 necess=E1rio que o usu=E1rio apenas visualize a tela. Ele n=E3o =
> >pode mexer
> >
> >em nada. =C9 poss=EDvel isso tamb=E9m?
> >
> >
> >Diogo Miranda wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Terminal Services
> >>
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/evaluation/news/bulletins/t
> >>
> >>
> >s
> >
> >
> >>ac.asp
> >>
> >>Remote Desktop
> >>
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/rdwebconn.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __ __
> >> / \ /| |'-.
> >> .\__/ || | |
> >> _ / `._ \|_|_.-'
> >> | / \__.`=3D3D._) (_
> >> |/ ._/ |"""""""""|
> >> |'. `\ | |
> >> ;"""/ / | |
> >> ) /_/| |.-------.|
> >> ' `-`' " "
> >>!****************************************!
> >>! Diogo Miranda !
> >>! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
> >>!****************************************!
> >>! W.A.R.P.: We Are Real Programmers. !
> >>!****************************************!
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
> >>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:21 PM
> >>To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
> >>
> >>Web Client pra remote desktop? onde?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Diogo Miranda wrote:
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Voce pode se conectar a mesma secao, porem o usuario teria que apertar
> >>>ok. E tambem existe um web client para o mesmo.=3D3D20
> >>>Em relacao ao ip voce poderia falar que o final 200 seria usado apenas
> >>>para esta tarefa, ai sempre que vc precisar fazer isso voce rodava um
> >>>script que trocava o ip da maquina.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __ __
> >>> / \ /| |'-.
> >>> .\__/ || | |
> >>> _ / `._ \|_|_.-'
> >>> | / \__.`=3D3D3D._) (_
> >>> |/ ._/ |"""""""""|
> >>> |'. `\ | |
> >>> ;"""/ / | |
> >>> ) /_/| |.-------.|
> >>> ' `-`' " "
> >>>!****************************************!
> >>>! Diogo Miranda !
> >>>! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
> >>>!****************************************!
> >>>! 'C++' should have been called 'D' !
> >>>!****************************************!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:48 PM
> >>>To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
> >>>
> >>>N=3D3DE3o =3D3DE9 poss=3D3DEDvel usar discagem, pq isso tudo =
> >>>
> >>>
> >ser=3D3DE1 usado
> >=3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>para
> >>fazer =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DF5es. ent=3D3DE3o v=3D3DE1rios clientes v=3D3DE3o
=
> >>>
> >>>
> >conectar
> >=3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>ao mesmo =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>tempo.
> >>>Eles precisam visualizar o que uma pessoa daqui est=3D3DE1 fazendo na
> >>>
> >>>
> >=3D3D
> >
> >
> >>>m=3D3DE1quina,
> >>>
> >>>como uma aula.
> >>>
> >>>O remote desktop cria uma se=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o s=3D3DF3 pro usu=3D3DE1rio
=
> >>>
> >>>
> >que =3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>conecta, =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>ent=3D3DE3o n=3D3DE3o=3D3D20
> >>>pode tb, pq ele n=3D3DE3o enxergaria a minha se=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o.
> >>>
> >>>Os clientes s=3D3DE3o da esp=3D3DE9cio "usu=3D3DE1rio leigo", aquela =
> >>>
> >>>
> >que =3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>d=3D3DE1 mais
> >>=3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>problema,
> >>>
> >>>sabem? ;)
> >>>Normalmente vao usar Windows., e n=3D3DE3o sabem o que =3D3DE9 uma
> >>>
> >>>
> >"porta", =3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>ou
> >>=3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>onde=3D3D20
> >>>baixar um programa.
> >>>
> >>>O VNC tem a vantagem de possuir um servidor web integrado. Quando
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>alguem
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>conecta a ele, automaticamente =3D3DE9 feito o download do applet java
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>pra=3D3D20
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>visualiza=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o.
> >>>
> >>>Eu estou pensando em usar um port-forward mesmo. Preciso que a
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>"escuta"=3D3D20
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>seja feita na porta 80, pq muitos clientes est=3D3DE3o em empresas =3D
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>que=3D3D20
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>bloqueiam o acesso a outras portas.
> >>>O problema do port-forward =3D3DE9 que ele seria configurado pra dar
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>forward =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>=3D3DE0
> >>>
> >>>um ip espec=3D3DEDfico, mas a demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o pode ser feita =
> >>>
> >>>
> >em =3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>qualquer =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>m=3D3DE1quina,
> >>>
> >>>implicando que a cada vez que a demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o for feita, =
> >>>
> >>>
> >=3D
> >
> >
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>teria-se
> >>que =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>configurar o port-forward novamente.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Lucio Feitoza wrote:
> >>>
> >>>se o problema for instalar programas e o cliente possuir windows, voce
> >>>pode
> >>>usar o proprio netmeeting que =3D3DE9 gratuito para quem possui =
> >>>
> >>>
> >windows.
> >
> >
> >>>Com o netmeeting tambem =3D3DE9 possivel acessar diretamente, sem =3D
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>precisar
> >>=3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>de
> >>>um
> >>>terceiro computador, o gateway. Mas nesse caso a maquina a ser
> >>>controlada
> >>>teria que discar para o seu cliente, ou seja teria que ter alguem na
> >>>maquina.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Diogo Miranda wrote:
> >>>
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Sem precisar instalar nada a primeira coisa que vem em mente seria.
> >>>>Cliente com Windows Xp, e a sua maquina interna com Terminal Services
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ou
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Remote Desktop. O XP ja vem com o cliente, mas voce tem que
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >configurar
> >
> >
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>a
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>conexao.
> >>>>Quanto ao servidor, se vc tiver um ip publico vago pode usa-lo, ou se
> >>>>estiver utilizando nat voce vai ter que dar forward na porta 3389
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >para
> >
> >
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>a
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>sua maquina interna.
> >>>>
> >>>>Acho que voce deveria falar o OS de cada uma das maquina envolvida
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>para
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>podermos dar uma opniao melhor
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> __ __
> >>>> / \ /| |'-.
> >>>> .\__/ || | |
> >>>> _ / `._ \|_|_.-'
> >>>> | / \__.`=3D3D3D3D._) (_
> >>>> |/ ._/ |"""""""""|
> >>>> |'. `\ | |
> >>>> ;"""/ / | |
> >>>> ) /_/| |.-------.|
> >>>> ' `-`' " "
> >>>>!****************************************!
> >>>>! Diogo Miranda !
> >>>>! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
> >>>>!****************************************!
> >>>>! 'C++' should have been called 'D' !
> >>>>!****************************************!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >[mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >
> >
> >>>>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:39 PM
> >>>>To: Conselho Intergal=3D3D3DE1tico
> >>>>Subject: [O Velho News] VNC
> >>>>
> >>>>Ol=3D3D3DE1 senhores (e senhoritas, por que n=3D3D3DE3o?)
> >>>>
> >>>>O neg=3D3D3DF3cio =3D3D3DE9 o seguinte:
> >>>>Tenho uma m=3D3D3DE1quina aqui na intranet, a qual eu preciso que um
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>cliente=3D3D3D20
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>externo possa visualizar seu desktop, tal qual o vnc faz.
> >>>>O problema =3D3D3DE9 que a m=3D3D3DE1quina est=3D3D3DE1 na intranet e
=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >o =3D
> >
> >
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>cliente =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>t=3D3D3DE1
> >>>fora.
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Uma solu=3D3D3DE7=3D3D3DE3o seria utilizar uma esp=3D3D3DE9cie de =
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >ponte num
> >=3D
> >
> >
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>dos =3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>nossos=3D3D3D20
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>servidores externos. A maquina daqui se conectaria ao servidor, e =
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >=3D3D
> >
> >
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>o=3D3D3D20
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>cliente tamb=3D3D3DE9m, sendo que o servidor s=3D3D3DF3 serviria =
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >=3D3D
> >
> >
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>(trocadilho=3D3D3D20
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>n=3D3D3DE3o-intencional) pra repassar os dados para o cliente.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tem como?
> >>>>
> >>>>O ideal seria se o cliente n=3D3D3DE3o precisasse instalar nada, que
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >nem =3D
> >
> >
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>=3D3D
> >>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>
> >>>> =20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>=3D3D3D
> >>>=3D20
> >>>
> >>> =20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>quando=3D3D3D20
> >>>>ele conecta a um servidor vnc pela interface web, quando a =3D3D3D
> >>>>visualiza=3D3D3DE7=3D3D3DE3o=3D3D3D20
> >>>>=3D3D3DE9 feita atrav=3D3D3DE9s de um applet java.
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