"fundamentally if you don't trust crash recovery of your database it's time to find another database. " That says it all. Paul Baumgartel CREDIT SUISSE Information Technology Prime Services Databases Americas One Madison Avenue New York, NY 10010 USA Phone 212.538.1143 paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.credit-suisse.com ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Niall Litchfield Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:51 AM To: TESTAJ3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Joel.Patterson@xxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: shutdown abort warnings and indeed David is listed as working on a Y2K project, so I doubt it's a case of 'still talking about' and more a case of 'date your white papers then everyone will know when they are written'. I have to say that the idea of shutting down a database instance in order to kill an orphaned o/s process seemed fundamentally wrong headed to me. On shutdown abort itself - well I trust Oracle to recover after a power failure, I know crash recovery did have issues in some antediluvian versions, but fundamentally if you don't trust crash recovery of your database it's time to find another database. Niall ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html ==============================================================================