amir, i've sent a document to you offline with an emc document that now exploits rman with a bcv there is also an oracle document explainign the same. "Hameed, Amir" <Amir.Hameed@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: We deployed EMC 8830 frame two years ago (we now have two frames, a DMX 3000 and a DMX 2000). At that time EMC was not supporting BCVs with RMAN. In fact, EMC's internal data center in Boston was using RMAN but without BCVs. I am not sure if it is possible today. You may want to ask the EMC person how they are doing it internally. Since RMAN does not put database in hot backup mode, I am not sure how you can take a point in time copy with RMAN. I would be very curious to know what you find. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fuad Arshad Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:40 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: rman backups using bcv Anyone tried to do this before we've got an emc person onsite trying to help us backup using rman a BCV copy of a database. one of tyhe questions i have is if anyone is doing this. How is the process working are they using symioctl or standard bring the database in and out of hot backup scripts. the emc person i have doesnt want to use symioctl to bring the database in and out of hotbackup and wants us to provide the scripts. any thoughts/comments -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l