RE: oracle EE pricing

  • From: "Goulet, Richard" <Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <kjped1313@xxxxxxxxx>, <vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <barb.baker@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:07 -0500

Matt,
 
    A lot of that may well go the way of RedHat.  Nobody wanted to use
Linux several years ago because it had little main street support.
Along came RedHat and bingo Linux is pretty well mainstream.  Could go
the same way with PostgreSql/EnterpriseDB.  I've used it, and I like it
just as much.
 

Dick Goulet 
Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead 
PAREXEL International 

 

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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Zito
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:16 PM
To: kjped1313@xxxxxxxxx; vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx; barb.baker@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: oracle EE pricing



I'm as big of an Oracle fan as the next guy, but Oracle's pricing model
for EE, and especially almost standard features like RAC and
partitioning, is unsustainable, IMHO.  There's a bunch of stuff that
Oracle can do that no one else can, but at this point, for standard ACID
compliance and CRUD activities, SQL Server, MySQL, and Postgres all
offer completely reasonable alternatives.

 

In fact, for many startups I know, it's more cost effective to write
their application to work with a scale-out sharded MySQL infrastructure
than it is to pay for the RAC licenses.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't think Oracle would kill MySQL as part
of the Sun acquisition - they really need to control a cheap/free/open
source database product.  If they killed MySQL, everyone would just move
to Postgres.  I'm sure that would have the EnterpriseDB guys jumping up
and down with joy, but doesn't negate the fact that lots of people are
unwilling to pay Oracle's premium.

 

Matt

 

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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kellyn Pedersen
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:09 PM
To: vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx; barb.baker@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: oracle EE pricing

 

Sigh...as much as I love Oracle, I won't lie, our new web based system
is moving off of Oracle and onto MySQL.  We are going to use load
balancing and simply spread out the load from our current Oracle
environment to four or more, (as needed with growth) MySQL databases
that don't have the licensing costs that our Oracle system has.  

 

We use SQL Server whenever an out-of-the-box solution presents itself
for the same reasons.  

 

Oracle was also not happy with me at my previous contract when I
presented cost savings for a municipal government by showing them there
was no reason for EE on all but one of their Oracle databases.  We used
that for leverage to freeze pricing for another year and was told by
them that they will undoubtedly be moving all the databases to SE in the
next couple months now that renewal time is here to make that pricing
change happen.

 

Oracle needs to learn the old customer service saying-  "Getting all you
can from a customer's pocket once is not getting a customer for life..."

Kellyn Pedersen

Multi-Platform DBA

I-Behavior Inc.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen

www.dbakevlar.blogspot.com <http://www.dbakevlar.blogspot.com/> 

 

"Go away before I replace you with a very small and efficient shell
script..."



--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Barbara Baker <barb.baker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Barbara Baker <barb.baker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: oracle EE pricing
To: vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:57 AM

OK to spec SE for new projects, but what about those of us with
declining revenues?  We would love to downgrade our licenses from EE to
SE, and keep oracle,  but oracle will have none of it.  We are asked to
shelve all of our EE licenses and buy new SE licenses.  All of that
money for our EE licenses in the trash can.

At that juncture, Postgre/MySQL or even SQL Server start looking mighty
attractive.




On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, vit.spinka <vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<http://us.mc320.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vit.spinka@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
wrote:

> 

 

I think the Standard Edition is underrated, and could save the day quite
often. It's just that most of us are used to EE and don't even think
about SE when thinking about new projects... True, you get RAC, you
loose all the packs, partitioning...
But quite often you can get around those limitations, there is even a
product emulating DataGuard for SE (after all, SE has all the recovery
stuff too, it's just missing the automation).

Vit

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