I can't remember if Altos owned part of Wyse or vice-versa, and they definitely pushed informix. So that would be my guess. Unless they were out of business by then. :-) --Terry Any my employer at the time owned 33% of Informix and 50% of Wyse...we thought we were real hotdogs. See who can guess who the company was...now that would show who has their Unix chops