My preferred solution is: STARTUP FORCE RESTRICT <--- equivalent of shutdown abort followed by startup restrict SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE -Mark -- Mark J. Bobak Senior Oracle Architect ProQuest Information & Learning "Exception: Some dividends may be reported as qualified dividends but are not qualified dividends. These include: * Dividends you received on any share of stock that you held for less than 61 days during the 121-day period that began 60 days before the ex-dividend date. The ex-dividend date is the first date following the declaration of a dividend on which the purchaser of a stock is not entitled to receive the next dividend payment. When counting the number of days you held the stock, include the day you disposed of the stock but not the day you acquired it. See the examples below. Also, when counting the number of days you held the stock, you cannot count certain days during which your risk of loss was diminished. See Pub. 550 for more details." --IRS, Form 1040-A Instruction Booklet, Line 9b: Qualified Dividends ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:37 AM To: Oracle-L@Freelists Subject: hanging shutdowns Hello all, I have a small dilemma I need to resolve. We have several large databases that do not shutdown quickly due to active processes (usually AQ stuff but not always) and this has caused problems with cold backups in the past. (I'd prefer to stop the colds entirely, but have not yet won that debate.) Another dba wrote a script which first kills all unix processes connecting to the database, connects to the database to kill all sessions except the sys connections and then issues a shutdown immediate. We now have another instance on the server so I need to modify the scripts for the new instance but I'm not comfortable with the current approach. Given that I need to have something that works by next Sunday morning, what is the best way to structure these scripts? Continue to kill everything? Issue a shutdown, find the remaining active transactions and kill only them? Issue a shutdown abort, restart, shutdown cleanly and then run the backups? I've seen discussions on this subject in the past, I'm just wondering if there's any new solutions or concerns on the subject. Databases are Oracle 9.2.0.6 on HP-UX approximately a TB in size. (some slightly bigger, some slightly smaller) recommendations appreciated ... Robyn