I'm pretty sure that 5 days is a hard limit, unless you're into hacking the database.....;-) As I recall a certain dinner in Dallas, Kirti described how he successfully did so, extending the 5 day limit to, um, 10 days, perhaps....? ;-) But, I don't think that would be a recommended approach for a production database....;-) Mark J. Bobak Oracle DBA ProQuest Company Ann Arbor, MI "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc" -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:42 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: flashback query vs. log miner Thanks Kirti, That was a very concise description and along the lines of what I was = =3D telling a junior dba I am training. =3D20 However, is it a hard limit for FBQ - 5 days - or is it solely based on =3D undo tablespace size and undo tablespace retention parameter? =3D20 Also, is there any downside with allocating a great deal of space to the =3D undo tablespace in a database other than static allocation? -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kirtikumar Deshpande Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:50 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: flashback query vs. log miner Paula, One must use LogMiner if one needs to access data that is more than 5 = =3D days old (instance uptime wise). FBQ does not help you. Of course, this changes with Oracle =3D 10g ( and what doesn't? ;).=3D20 Also, with 9i rel 2 SQL enhancement (the AS OF clause) it is very easy =3D to use FBQ to access past data (if it is still available in the undo segments). =3D Accessing the same information via LogMiner is a bit more involved process. With proper =3D privileges, you can let your developers use FBQ, but I doubt if DBAs will allow Developers = =3D to play with LogMiner. =3D20 So, I would not use one versus the other all the time, but may be =3D required to use both, depending on the requirement.=3D20 Regards, - Kirti =3D20 --- Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Guys, >=3D20 > I know you can reconstruct data in a table (given your undo segments = =3D in =3D3D > your undo tablespace is not overwritten) > with flashback query. However, you should be able to do the same =3D using =3D3D > log_minor. >=3D20 >=3D20 > So flashback is easier to work but probably couldn't restore as much = =3D as =3D3D > you could using log_minor. =3D3D20 >=3D20 > Why would you use one versus the other? =3D09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=3D20 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS ------------------------------------------------------ Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 5416553) is spam: Spam: =3D https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3D3Ds&i=3D3D5416553&m=3D3= D3e3a 8=3D d0f45c8 Not spam: =3D https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3D3Dn&i=3D3D5416553&m=3D3= D3e3a 8=3D d0f45c8 Forget vote: =3D https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3D3Df&i=3D3D5416553&m=3D3= D3e3a 8=3D d0f45c8 ------------------------------------------------------ END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------