Re: diff between incremental and archive backups

  • From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 02:01:03 -0500

On 11/15/2015 01:10 AM, Tim Gorman wrote:

Now you've stepped squarely into *my* area of interest as an employee of a vendor <http://www.delphix.com>.

Employing backups to copy production databases and application software to non-production environments like development and testing is a holdover from the 20th century, and is fully obsolete. Those continuing to provision non-production from restored backups or from SAN copies are placing themselves at a disadvantage to those who have adopted data virtualization <http://www.delphix.com/products/how-delphix-data-virtualization-works/>, plain and simple.
Tim, I don't think that this thread is the proper venue to discuss this, but "data virtualization" is a nice marketing buzzword which has a ZFS snapshot as its foundation. Commvault is using many of the same technologies as Delphix, but we are not Oracle specialists. We also backup MS Exhange, SharePoint, DB2, SAP Hana, MySQL, Postgres and many other things. Essentially, our aim is to cover the entire enterprise, not just Oracle. I don't think that this is an appropriate venue for vendor comparison, especially since the two participants in the discussion are both employees of their respective backup vendors. I have enormous amount of respect for both you and Kyle Hailey. Such debates do not make much sense without the impartial 3rd party, like Gartner Group. And by the reaction to my statements about the incremental backups, you can tell that Commvault technology far surpasses the traditional backup/restore technology, just as is the case with Delphix. Our marketing vernacular is slightly different, though. I will refrain from using it, since this is not the right venue for such things.

The original discussion was about incremental backups, plain and simple. As far as the incremental backups are concerned, if the underlying technology is rman, those do not make much sense. The only argument you listed is that they are cheaper than full backups to execute, which doesn't really matter, if the backups are taken on the proxy. Proxy box like a standby DB is dedicated recovery and it doesn't really matter whether the backup will burn 30 minutes of CPU time or 3 hours of CPU time. That time would have not been used otherwise.

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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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