*I think*, this is due to optimizer heuristics . First_rows cost model is implemented as an heuristics model and applied over the usual cost comparisons. I have seen optimizer choose a costlier plan because this heuristics was/was not applied. I wonder what results you would get if you have optimizer_mode set to first_rows in your test case ? Thanks Riyaj "Re-yas" Shamsudeen Certified Oracle DBA -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cary Millsap Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:35 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: cost Yep, "bug" is where we're going with it... But we haven't had time yet to go into detail. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com * Nullius in verba * Upcoming events: - Performance Diagnosis 101: 4/6 Seattle, 5/7 Dallas, 5/18 New Jersey - SQL Optimization 101: 4/19 Denver, 5/3 Boston, 5/24 San Diego - Hotsos Symposium 2005: March 6-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bobak, Mark Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:24 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: cost Hmm....I should have known, Cary...;-) I actually had the thought, as I was typing that reply "hmm....*always*, really? Are you sure? Yeah, of course you are, if it's not always choosing the lowest cost, what else could it do....?" Of course, Oracle found a way..... My first thought, though, would be that this is a bug.....is that where you're going with this? Or is there something more going on? Did 10053 reveal anything interesting? -Mark Mark J. Bobak Oracle DBA ProQuest Company Ann Arbor, MI "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis -- -- Desc: Signature The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that your access is unauthorized, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message including any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------