Can the sales rep point to where this rule is defined in the SIG? In 2006 I talked an Oracle 'offer' down from EUR. 225.000 to 15.000...... (yes that is twohundredtwentyfive K down to fifteen K) This was including the first couple of years of support. Oracle sales guy insisted on EE CPU licenses, where I could argument with the SIG in hand that SE1 NUP based was enough. It took two escalations before I got to a 'license specialist' who came up with the SE1 NUP license model after my explanation of the architecture........ To get to the 2nd esaclation I had to threaten to put the whole thing in either ASCII, using awk/sed/grep, or Oracle. We were talking a system with 5 users, couple of hundred TX/day. Read the SIG carefully, and let the sales people show you where they find the license need they want to sell. Best regards, Carel-Jan Engel === If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) === On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 14:49 -0400, Alex Gorbachev wrote: > I've just had an interesting follow up with one of the customers -- > Oracle sales rep. was insisting that full RAC license is required to > run two nodes CRS cluster with clustered ASM and single instance cold > failover databases. > > We are assessing possibility to run ASM instance as failover as well. > It shouldn't be much different that for simple single failover > configuration. Let's see if customer is willing to compromise with the > rather unusual setup and costs savings. > > On 31-Mar-08, at 10:44 PM, Dan Norris wrote: > > > Alex--good point. I am guilty of frequently ignoring licensing > > issues in technical discussions, but you're absolutely correct to > > bring it up. However, I don't know the answer in this case. I > > suspect that you would have to have a RAC license, but I'm only > > guessing. > > > > I generally regard RAC to be limited to RDBMS, so even clustered ASM > > doesn't constitute "having RAC" in my book. > > > > No matter what angle you take, I don't think I'd create a clustered > > ASM configuration to support multiple servers with single-instance > > databases. If I wanted to share a single storage area between > > multiple development servers running single-instance databases, I'd > > use a clustered filesystem. The licensing for OCFS2 is pretty cut- > > and-dried :). I think that's what I said before (just realized it > > though, so it's nice that I came to the same conclusion twice in a > > row). > > > > Dan > > > > Alex Gorbachev wrote: > >> Dan, Jeremy, > >> > >> I think it depends on your definitions of "having RAC". > >> For me running CRS and ASM in *clustered* mode does mean RAC. > >> > >> "Having RAC" also might assume having to buy RAC license. Don't > >> take my licensing knowledge for 100% but... > >> Recently, Oracle allowed using CRS for free to its customers with > >> Linux support. Otherwise, you have to buy at least one RAC license. > >> However, clustered ASM instances - do they require RAC license or > >> not? I would think they do but its pure speculation. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Alex > >> > > -- > //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > >