RE: another failed attempt at database independence

  • From: "Goulet, Dick" <richard.goulet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:10:10 -0400


"I think it's hilarious, but then being contract myself I won't be
around to deal with the consequences"


Spoken as a true consultant!!

Dick Goulet / Capgemini
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Senior Oracle DBA / Hosting
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of William Robertson
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:00 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: another failed attempt at database independence


We have a highly rated performance consultant where I currently work who
is proposing to replace our albeit legacy Oracle/AutoSys system for
batch processing financial data with what I believe he calls a Grid of
Postgres Appliances passing XML via message queues. I keep hearing gems
from colleagues who sit nearer to his desk (apparently he has just
invented something called an Iterator, etc.) Needless to say, senior
management see it as a low-maintenance price/performance silver bullet.
I think it's hilarious, but then being contract myself I won't be around
to deal with the consequences.

-----Original message-----
From: Srinivas Chintamani
Date: 9/5/08 06:07 

Hi All,
When a lot of people feel the consultants don't put in quality work, why
is it that they are still hired and paid exorbitant amounts?


On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Jared Still <jkstill@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------

        From: kathy duret <katpopins21@xxxxxxxxx>
        To: wbfergus@xxxxxxxxx
        Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
        Subject: Re: another failed attempt at database independence

        Not just the government.  




        We had EBS "expert" tell management we had to install mailx to
send email and attachments that 12i couldn't do it.  I spent alot of
time fixing Workflow and getting the email to work for our "expert
implementators" then document the process for our "experts"


        Don't get me wrong, there are alot of good people out there.

        I blame management or decision makers for not checking their
facts and living by buzzwords.



I had to do the same thing a few months ago.

Consultants could not get the workflow mailer to work.

I located the ML document with instructions to set it up, the doc is
very well written and the 
procedure is pretty simple.

When working through the doc, it became apparent why the mailer didn't

The consultants had typed in the example input, word for word!

Things like  domain name:  ""

I kid you not.

Needless to say, 10 minutes later it was all working. 

Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist

Srinivas Chintamani 

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