Raphael, If the plan stayed the same then the performance should also stay the same (lets assume you haven't moved that database to a faster filesystem/box or truncated the tables - a join of two empty tables always seems to go pretty quickly whatever the plan :)), so my guess would be be that the first query queried data that wasn't cached and the second query re-queried this cached data. On the subject of DBMS_STATS the advantages are fairly well documented (e.g. monitor stale objects so only those that need statistics to be gathered are gathered and gather statistics in parallel to name a couple) but the fact that Oracle will be deprecating analyze (or at least the C.B.O. stat gathering part) seems to be a pretty good reason for switching. On the negative side however most versions of DBMS_STATS seem to have contained some unwanted "features" (are we allowed to used the B word?) - These mainly relate to performance of the dbms_stats job itself rather than the stats themselves these days so "you pays your money and you takes your choice" One last point - I have noticed recently that the stats gathered by DBMS_STATS do seem to favour Nested Loops over Hash joins. As I mainly work in datawarehousing environments where most queries seem to perform best using Hash joins this can be a bit irritating - I suspect its something do with a (false) assumption that the data will cached and its optimising LIO rather than PIO but I'm guessing really. I'm actually currenltly looking at query that insists on doing NL whatever stats I gather when a Hash Join is 4 times quicker. This seems to leave me with the option of a USE_HASH which I'm relucatant to do or the interesting "alter session set optimizer_index_cost_adj=150" - but then again I think I might want to use some indexes occasionally :) Cheers, Ian For the latest data on the economy and society consult National Statistics at http://www.statistics.gov.uk ********************************************************************** Please Note: Incoming and outgoing email messages are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy on the use of electronic communications ********************************************************************** Legal Disclaimer : Any views expressed by the sender of this message are not necessarily those of the Office for National Statistics ********************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------