Re: alter system v shutdown abort

  • From: "Queen Roo Roo" <ruth.gramolini@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Jay.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:32:43 -0400

This is an automated process which was implemented before I came. It makes a
"business copy" of the DB as a backup in 6 minutes and a bunch of other
stuff.  It is an HP solution not an oracle solution.  If I had my druthers I
would use rman etc. and never shut the database down unless absolutely
necessary.  But it isn't my call.  The SA wants to know if killing any
session which should not be logged on will work as well as doing a shutdown
abort etc. since the other says that is what she does (not the same boxes).


On 9/13/06, Jay.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Jay.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ah, if you have to shut down the database (though can't you just do a hot backup or RMAN?) then I'd go with abort, startup, immediate. KISS applies here I think. Shouldn't take any longer than running the kill script.


Jay Miller

Sr. Oracle DBA



*From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Queen Roo Roo
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:57 PM
*To:* Smith, Ronald [Contractor]
*Cc:* oracle-l
*Subject:* Re: alter system v shutdown abort

The situation is that we have to have all users off so that the system can
shut down for backup.  It's an HP_UX  HA solution that I am not familiar
with.  If all active users are not off, the process doesn't run and the
stuff hits the fan.  The process does a shutdown immediate as it's first
action but that fails if a hung user is left on.  I suggested that we use my
program to see if there are any active users and kill them.  The other
option is the shutdown abort, startup, shutdown immediate but that might
take longer than we have before system before the next step is excuted.
Just killing any hung users seems to be less  dangerous.  Any other

Thanks again,


On 9/13/06, *Smith, Ronald [Contractor]* <Ron.Smith@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have had to recover more than once after doing a shutdown abort.  I only
use it as a last resort.

I kill the users, shutdown immediate, startup, shutdown (normal).


-----Original Message-----
*From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Queen Roo Roo
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:40 PM
*To:* oracle-l
*Subject:* alter system v shutdown abort

Hello everyone,

Can someone tell me an alter system kill session 'sid,serial#'; will kill
runaway processes or long running queries as efficiently as doing a shutdown
abort, startup , shutdown immediate?  I have always run a job which shutdown
kills all users who shouldn't be on after a specific time but the

SA at my new job is skepticle because another DBA told him to use a
shutdown abort, startup, shutdown immediate sequence.

Thanks in advance,


Ruth Gramolini

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