Re: Undo Retention of 5 days; anyone?
- From: Mogens Nørgaard <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:18:48 +0100
It's all about money. If support and upgrade rights are separate, then
upgrade money can be booked as license sales, which makes the company
look better. If they're bundled you can't, so all you have is a big
support revenue, which the market doesn't care about.
IBM unbundled in April 1999 and thus became bigger than Oracle in
license sales. 16th December that year Oracle did the same and became
bigger than IBM again in license sales.
Microsoft has always done it.
There are some customers that have very little use for Oracle Support.
They could include sites that run old, stable, predictable versions -.
we have customers even still paying for products that don't exist
anymore, not even on Metalink. Most should of course buy both if they
think it's worth their money.
Mogens
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
>Mogens
> You know a lot more about pricing. Microsoft has priced support and
>upgrade rights separately for years. Do you think Oracle split the =
>pricing
>like this so people doing Oracle vs. SQL Server comparisons would =
>understand
>the issues more clearly? Personally I can't fathom why an Oracle =
>customer
>would not purchase both.
>
>Dennis Williams
>DBA
>Lifetouch, Inc.
>dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mogens N=F8rgaard [mailto:mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:47 PM
>To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Undo Retention of 5 days; anyone?
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>
>If you go to www.oracle.com and type in "pricing" in the search field=20
>you'll find there's a new US commercial price list dated January 23,=20
>2004 plus a new Software Investment Guide dated February 3, 2004.
>
>Nothing changed regarding the prices of SE and EE and Support and=20
>Upgrade Rights: If you buy software for $100, then you can purchase=20
>upgrade rights for $15 and Support (including access to Metalink) for =
>$7.
>
>What Oracle doesn't state clearly anywhere that I know of is the fact=20
>that you don't have to buy both Support and Upgrade Rights. They're=20
>separate products, so if you, say, don't want to continue to pay for=20
>support of Trusted Oracle server or SQL*Menu 5.0 (real example I saw a=20
>few hours ago - Danish customer), since nobody will be able to help you =
>
>anyway, you don't have to anymore. That all changed on December 16, =
>1999.
>
>Mogens
>
>ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx wrote:
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>>i thought the support contract was x% of the value of your license
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>fee/year? doesnt that include metalink?=20
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>>=20
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>>>From: Mladen Gogala <mladen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Date: 2004/02/13 Fri PM 12:21:18 EST
>>>To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: Undo Retention of 5 days; anyone?
>>>
>>>On 02/13/2004 11:07:42 AM, Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco wrote:
>>> =20
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>>>>We don't have metalink support
>>>> =20
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>Whaddya mean that you don't have metalink support? Any customer
>>>that purchased oracle thru legal channels and even some that have
>>>purchased it from a van on the Houston Street in NYC are entitled
>>>to metalink access. Contact your friendly neighborhood oracle
>>>pusher (repersentative).
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