RE: Stored Outlines and Optimizer Mode
- From: Srinivasan Vasan <Vasan.Srinivasan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:48:29 -0000
Paula,
Please let me know if this works out and what you did. As far as I know,
stored outlines do not work under RULE as they are a CBO feature. However,
it will still work without database statistics, if you are telling the query
what to do (as we would in RULE). For example, we have OPTIMIZER_MODE=CHOOSE
at our site and we use a mixture of RULE and COST optimized queries. We do
not use any database statistics - instead we use HINTS (in some of the
queries, which make them use CBO), but since the query is already optimally
written (using RULEs), we are able to make the best use of a RULE-COST
combination.
Watch out for when you upgrade to 9i - since the CBO is still undergoing
enhancements and the RBO is sitting still, you may hit unanticipated
problems with queries mis-behaving.
Cheers,
Vasan (x5707)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Winkler [mailto:pw41972@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 19 March 2004 04:07
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Stored Outlines and Optimizer Mode
Thank you Dennis, John, and Jared -
Our database configuration setting is OPTIMIZER_MODE=RULE in Oracle 8.1.7.4
with no database statistics. We came up with the optimal plans for the
exceptional SQLs by running the 3rd-party application under CBO in one of
our test environment which mirror Production. We can't use hints as we have
no control over the generated SQLs. We can't move the application
completely to CBO therefore thought using stored outlines in a Oracle8i
RULE-based optimizer environment may be a solution. Our intention is stay
with the OPTIMIZER_MODE=RULE without any database statistics and with the
addition of the handful of stored outlines. It seems stored outlines under
Oracle8i+ doesn't require 1) OPTIMIZER_MODE to be CHOOSE or COST and 2) the
collection of database statistics.
Just wanted to get some insights from gurus on this great list before we
conduct additional validation testing.
- Paula W.
Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Oh, but you *will* get CBO if you use hints.
I mention this because it was referred to earlier in this thread.
Oracle uses default values when statistics are lacking.
This is 9.2.0.4 on RH 7.1
Jared
16:32:44 SQL>
16:32:44 SQL>alter session set optimizer_mode = rule;
Session altered.
16:32:44 SQL>
16:32:44 SQL>drop table cbo;
Table dropped.
1 6:32:44 SQL>
16:32:44 SQL>create table cbo
16:32:44 2 as
16:32:44 3 select owner, object_name, object_type
16:32:44 4 from dba_objects
16:32:44 5 /
Table created.
16:32:45 SQL>
16:32:45 SQL>
16:32:45 SQL>create index cboidx on cbo(owner, object_name)
16:32:45 2 /
Index created.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>delete from plan_table;
6 rows deleted.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>commit;
Commit complete.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>explain plan
16:32:46 2 set statement_id 'Q1'
16:32:46 3 for
16:32:46 4 select count(*)
16:32:46 5 from cbo
16:32:46 6 /
Explained.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>explain plan
16:32:46 2 set statement_id 'Q2'
16:32:46 3 for
16:32:46 4 select /*+ index(cbo cboidx) */ count(*)
16:32:46 5 from cbo
16:32:46 6 /
Explained.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>@showplan9i Q1
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>-- showplan9i.sql
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>SET PAUSE OFF
16:32:46 SQL>SET VERIFY OFF
16:32:46 SQL>set trimspool on
16:32:46 SQL>set line 200 arraysize 1
16:32:46 SQL>clear break
16:32:46 SQL>clear compute
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>select *
16:32:46 2 from table(dbms_xplan.display( 'PLAN_TABLE', '&&1'))
16:32:46 3 /
PLAN_TABLE_OUTPUT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id | Operation | Name | Rows | Bytes | Cost |
--------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | SELECT STATEMENT | | | | |
| 1 | SORT AGGREGATE | &nb sp; | | | |
| 2 | TABLE ACCESS FULL | CBO | | | |
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: rule based optimization
10 rows selected.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>@showplan9i Q2
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>-- showplan9i.sql
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>SET PAUSE OFF
16:32:46 SQL>SET VERIFY OFF
16:32:46 SQL>set trimspool on
16:32:46 SQL>set line 200 arraysize 1
16:32:46 SQL>clear break
16:32:46 SQL>clear compute
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>select *
16:32:46 2 from table(dbms_xplan.display( 'PLAN_TABLE', '&&1'))
16:32:46 3 /
PLAN_TABLE_OUTPUT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id | Operation | Name | Rows | Bytes | Cost |
--------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | SELECT STATEMENT | | 1 | | 19 |
| 1 | SORT AGGREGATE | | 1 | | |
| 2 | TABLE ACCESS FULL | CBO | 2000 | | 19 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: cpu costing is off
10 rows selected.
16:32:46 SQL>
16:32:46 SQL>
DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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03/18/2004 02:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Stored Outlines and Optimizer Mode
Paula
How are you ensuring RULE is used today? Not analyzing tables? That is
an issue because CBO needs you to analyze, which will cause everything to be
CBO. If the SQL has a hint, then analyze won't be a problem, but you won't
get CBO anyway.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Paula Winkler
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:35 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Stored Outlines and Optimizer Mode
Thank you Niall and Lex for your responses.
We have a 3rd-party Oracle8i system running under the RULE-based optimizer.
We have identified a handful of poor performing SQLs. We can't change the
generated SQLs therefore we are looking into using stored outlines to store
the access plans for those exceptional SQLs. Our thought is CBO would kick
in for the SQLs with the stored outlines and RBO would kick in for the other
acceptable SQLs. Does this sound like it will work?
- Paula W.
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